SS Windscreens

[Deleted]

I know where you guys are coming from but the screen was made from Pilkington guaging the difference between the Nova Screen mould and the screen supplied....I guess there was no guarantees here. Pilkington may have made a geniune mistake and its worth going back to them to see if they can help but I can't help feeling that you were lucky that they entertained you in the first place.

I've got to disagree with what has been said about working with grp. I've worked with it for years..in the early days it was laying up for kit car bodyshells....making moulds...and most recently grp repairs to cars and boats. Yes its sticky....yes it smells...but it is very easy to work with. You just need space and a plan of action....it realy is just a case of fail to prepare then prepare to fail.

If you are going to keep the screen and modify the bodyshell to fill the gap then the easiest way to do it is to build up a 3D structure in polyurethene foam which is easily sanded to the desired shape. This is bonded in place. Once happy then you coat with resin and start laying up the grp mat. The final lay up will be fine grp tissue and once cured is filled, sanded and primed. One thing you have to remember is to allow for the thickness of the grp lay-up and resin when carving/sanding your 3D poly-foam shape...figure on 1/10th - 1/8th inch.

The most difficult element and most daunting for the grp novice is taking a flap wheel to the gel coat of the bodyshell...this is done lightly to give the adhesive a key to hold the poly-foam structure in place but also deeper to grind down the gel-coat almost down to the grp mat foward of the structure .....this is needed so you have a trough so you can blend the new structure into the original shell without any lumps and bumps...also reduces the chance of cracking where the two parts meet.

Forget trying to create the shape from pre-made grp sheets...that's difficult especially as you'll want some structural strength and rigidity as its supporting the weight of the lower half of the screen...last thing you want is it all to flex and the screen to pop the first time you hit a bump.

Good luck

[mell0rman]

Just back of my Holidays and catching up. Yes the problem is we are small fry Pilkington, They could get an exact match but it would cost for the tooling jig to be made or a large order either way thats not happening. So the current screen is as is without any set up costs, which to me is a lot better than were I was with no screen.
Thanks for the advise, will post some pictures when done. Still think the trim is a quick and easy fix. Might try that first to see what the results look like. Can alway peel it off it it looks nasty.

[Peter]

Or bin it and buy the old pink SS on Ebay with the good screen

[Deleted]

Hey Mellorman, Here's your chance!!



eaglecarclub.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=sell&action=display&thread=1190&page=1

[Deleted]

Spoke to a glass cutter today who's doing my rear window.
We got talking about windscreens and the trouble with pikingtons, he said he could point us in a few directions.

DAG Architectural
(largest glass cutters/benders in the country)

Alfreton Road,
Derby,
Derbyshire
DE21 4AA

01332 207500

B&S Glass Industries
(he said they would definitely want money up front as they've been stung before)

47 Sutherland Road
Walthamstow
London
E17 6BH

02085 277575
[e-mail]

Automotive Glass International
(he said these guys specifically do one off/batch windscreens for cars but had only heard of them, not dealt with them personally)

46 Leach Heath Lane
B45 9DB Rubery, Birmingham,
United Kingdom

0121 680 2121

Hope it helps.
Ben

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Aug 25, 2010 15:26:05 GMT @bherron said:

Spoke to a glass cutter today who's doing my rear window.
We got talking about windscreens and the trouble with pikingtons, he said he could point us in a few directions.

DAG Architectural
(largest glass cutters/benders in the country)

Alfreton Road,
Derby,
Derbyshire
DE21 4AA

01332 207500

B&S Glass Industries
(he said they would definitely want money up front as they've been stung before)

47 Sutherland Road
Walthamstow
London
E17 6BH

02085 277575
[e-mail]

Automotive Glass International
(he said these guys specifically do one off/batch windscreens for cars but had only heard of them, not dealt with them personally)

46 Leach Heath Lane
B45 9DB Rubery, Birmingham,
United Kingdom

0121 680 2121

Hope it helps.
Ben

I mentioned the last name listed here in post #38 in this thread. They did a limited production run for a classic car club and were keen/enthusiastic to help despite the small production run...but more names there to play with.....good post Ben ;D

....but where are the bidders on the SS screen for sale on Ebay at the moment?

[Deleted]

SS screen on E bay ?

cgi.ebay.co.uk/Eagle-SS-kit-car-windscreen-/150483453749?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM

[terryrob]

Sold for a steal at £82, 9 bids hope one of our guys got it ?

[Deleted]

Aug 29, 2010 22:35:28 GMT terryrob said:

Sold for a steal at £82, 9 bids hope one of our guys got it ?

The sound of silence says it all methinks

At that price you can hire a car drive to collect and back again and still be ahead of the game......reckon the collection only stipulation put off bidders from further afield and kept the price low?

[mell0rman]

Had a rare combination today, of a day of work and it being a sunny day. So thought about picking up on the windscreen adventure.
By slacking off the windscreen wiper nuts this showed there was enough flex in the body for it to move up and meet the screen. To make the body stay and not spring back after, I did the following.
Drilled a few small hole about a inch from the lip , cut lines down to these using the trusty jigsaw. Had to widen a few of these gaps as when the body pushed up the gaps closed in on themselves.



Pushed up the body to the glass and held it in place with wooden batters & string (all technical here)

Removed the windscreen again (ooh me back) and fiber glassed over the cuts. Added a black clothes dye to the resin (genius idea!). As the inner trim and windscreen adhesive will cover most of this patch, I only need to worry about smoothing out the outer edge later on.




Once the fiber glass set, it holds in the new position and a lot better fit. The job was not that bad as I thought. Easy for me to work on as my car is not in pristine condition (work in progress)...how many are not

[mell0rman]

Just recived an e-mail from Pilkington out the blue

Andy
Decided we would build new tooling to your glass and take the tooling costs ourselves.
Should be testing in about a week
Thanks,

;D ;D ;D but I have just modified my car body
keep you updated

[Peter]

Great news!! look foward to seeing how it goes, should anyone (else) put their money where their mouths are we could have a few orders and a few unscrapped SSs.
Peter

[chrisbailey]

good new I hope, I may be needing a new screen if the pitting cant be removed from mine, would pitting in the inside of the screen effect the MOT, mine is pitted from some burke grinding the floorpan (its covered the whole screen).

[terryrob]

Good job there mellorman, looked pretty simple in the end, thats the good thing about glassfibre its so easy to modify.

[mell0rman]

Just recieved this email
Andrew
All finished. Glass is now the same as your original. Have put the glass in our despatch area for you to collect.
Am 99.9% sure it will fit, assuming your original glass fitted ok
Thanks,

So just need to get the glass and unmodify the body work.
never a dull moment with SS Windscreens

[Peter]

Look foward to seeing if it does fit, if so we finaly have screens on tap at last, so to speak, It will be interesting to see how many come forth now.

[chrisbailey]

that is absolutley typical, when you cut into the bodywork you then find you can get the original.
Thing is, aslong as the screen price isnt too high, I think alot of SS that come up on ebay may actually get a decent price, its a shame to see a decent eagle thats had lots spent on it only to have no screen and fetch nothing on ebay.
One day may even fetch nova money

[mell0rman]

Picked up the second screen today. Hopefully over Christmas I may get time to undo the previous work and offer the screen up for size.

That's providing the large ice cube on the drive has thawed out and I can get to it without to much digging of snow.

Unless someone knows another eagle near me without a screen which we could test with (South Yorkshire / Humberside area)

[chrisbailey]

If the new screen fits, Im probly going to buy one, I would like a new screen and using my current one as a backup spare should come in handy.

[mell0rman]

I not had chance to try it yet ,the eagle is outside. It always seems to be dark & cold when I have any spare time to give.

I really want it in the car, safest place for me, I scared to death of knocking the screen over which is propped up inside my garage.

I do not think I will make it this weekend working again, but will try for the following weekend. As soon as I have done it, I will update again.

[Deleted]

Well it seems that getting a windscreen for Eagle SS is a major issue indeed. I almost got one last summer, but unfortunately this topic died.

I found through ebay an Eagle SS owner who cracked the corner of his window and he found a place where it was possible to make another window based on the old one, and the offer was that I could get a 2nd one made for myself as they were making one window anyway.

At some point I did get all the measures etc and the size was ok. If I get lucky and can re-open this possibility I could update this topic also here.

And I would use the opportunity to thank Peter who contacted me via email. I'm glad to be part of this forum now! I am based in Estonia and own an Eagle SS that is most likely the only one in Baltics, and I do plan to make it run one day. So as you can imagine, not much information around this topic is available here
Cheers!

[chrisbailey]

good luck with your build, hopefully we will have a source for the screen now, aslong as this new screen fits were in bussiness, it may mean the demand and sale price for eagless goes up!
Its also very surpising how far these cars travel, they are practically everywhere now, wonder if thats why we dont see many in the UK, I have never seen one driving on the road!

[mell0rman]

The new screen is a huge improvement on the last one. The picture shows the new screen at the bottom, which as you can see the curve is a lot lower. I have removed most of the fiber glass modifications I did on my frame as this new screen was touching the modifications and preventing it sitting in the frame cleanly. The result is much better fit.

If I was being critical, I would say it is still sat a little higher than the original did, but this may be down to the modifications I did on my frame. And to be fair I can not remember how well the original sat, as it was covered in thick perished sealant.

An unexpected visitor called in mid flow of this operation and it went dark, so been unable to photograph the screen sat in the frame.
Will try a photo this Sunday

[Peter]

Jan 27, 2011 23:43:01 GMT chrisbailey said:

good luck with your build, hopefully we will have a source for the screen now, aslong as this new screen fits were in bussiness, it may mean the demand and sale price for eagless goes up!
Its also very surpising how far these cars travel, they are practically everywhere now, wonder if thats why we dont see many in the UK, I have never seen one driving on the road![/quote]
With only 680 to start with and at least half of those scrapped or written off and at least ten abroad that I know off including mine and the red one in Madrid now, one in Poland, two in Germany, a couple in France etc. not surprising they are few and far between sightings, I hope that screen fits as it has been a long time and a lot of effort getting to this point.

[mell0rman]

As promised some pictures. As you can see it's a lot better fit than the last one. It sits well at the bottom middle. But I think if it was 5 mill lower from this point two each corner side, It would be an even better / perfect fit. Might be worth asking for this if ordering one.
Anyone is welcome to try this screen in there car if they are thinking of buying one. I haven't sealed it in as yet and will not be for a few months.

I put a two pence in a couple of shots for scale.

[chrisbailey]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WE HAVE A WINNER!
That screen is perfect, mine sat like that before I removed it, I think they were a bit crap fittment to begin with, but you can sort that out with lots of black adhesive and careful adjustments.
Might have a few SS's on the road this year then!

[Peter]

That looks good, slide it up a tad and glue it in, jobs a good un.
;D

[Deleted]

I am to collect a ford based Ss soon that needs a screen , and was gonna ask if any progress , to find this thread and all the work already done is great news , I can put this one back on the road when I collect it

[Peter]

Mar 6, 2011 2:03:54 GMT @jason said:

I am to collect a ford based Ss soon that needs a screen , and was gonna ask if any progress , to find this thread and all the work already done is great news , I can put this one back on the road when I collect it

Nice to hear your putting one back on the road Jason, look foward to progress reports and hope the new screens are a success.

[Deleted]

This is excellent news about the windscreen!

mell0rman, could you tell how I could order one for my Eagle SS and get it also delivered safely in one piece to Estonia? Thanks!