SS Windscreens

[Peter]

Good news, lets hope it results in even better news.
Peter

MY SS screens maximum apature is 903h x 1302w
as opposed to Nova 948h x 1315w

[mell0rman]

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Ok anyone need a Eagle SS windscreen. reply as follows
Have placed your windscreen on the bending tool for the Nova, and they are very similar.
Your glass is generally smaller and the top edge has a different curve – yours is flatter.
I think what we can do is bolt on a shaped bar to the top edge of the existing bending tool, and make up a set of flat forms to give a glass size the same as your pattern.
We can then “piggy back” your glass on the existing Nova tooling.
I would estimate a glass piece price of £320.00 plus vat ex works – not packed.
If you would like us to make the necessary tooling (temporary) modifications please let me know.

Have set this up on our system with a part number of A1881 CL ( clear)
Normal delivery is 4 to 5 weeks depending on how busy we are – no problem with dealing with your club members direct.

The contact is Peter Swann
Email Address = [e-mail]
I said to give it the next two weeks for any one wanting to place an order as well so that a few could be made when the tooling is set up.
I have my order in.

[Deleted]

WELL DONE MATE!! ;D

Let's see how many people are willing to put their money where their mouths are

[chrisbailey]

how about the bloke who baught the ladybird interior eagle, he needs one, better tell him.

[mell0rman]

Its looking like just me then, No one else want one? What about the chap who owns the eagle moulds anybody know them to mention it to them?

Will put it on E-Bay worth an advertisement may help someone else

[Deleted]

Melloman, stupid me and my stupid iphone app, thought this was a real screen and didnt read the info. You are more than welcome to keep my £1 as stupidity fee.

[chrisbailey]

Is this a one time offer, or will the tooling be there to make the screens from now on?
If its a one time only thing I bet you everybody wants one after the offer has gone.

[trike]

Hooray!!! I`m in!
Seen the ebay ad,and done the ask seller thingy ;D

[mell0rman]

bherron don't worry about the daft bid.
Not sure if this is a one time make only, the process may be straight forward, then again they run into problems and may not want to go through the process again.
I would not like to take the risk of putting it off if I needed one, but thats me.

[Deleted]

I don't believe after all the trouble someone has gone to and the amount of people who were desperate for screens, that it finally comes to the crunch there are so few takers!

[Peter]

Nowyou know why the club shop
only had 3 items.

[mell0rman]

Well my screen is ready. ;D Should have it in the next week or so when my work colleague's can pick it for me and relay it back to me. Hope it all fits fingers crossed.

[Deleted]

Great news . I have text a few people I know that have ss's needing screens , you could put a ad on allcarclub also if you like , always happy to help spread the word ,

[Peter]

Great news, lets hope all those people who wanted one get on board, see yet another keen chap looking to start a SS project in Tim's section.

[mell0rman]

It don't quite fit, sits about an inch off the bottom



not bad every where else


but not quite right


will drop them a mail see what options we have

[chrisbailey]

Hi, that is a d**n shame, wonder where the problem started?
surely they copied it to the dimensions of the screen you sent them, they should have seen they were not the same?
You are definatly sure the screen you sent them fitted your car?
Unless they took the nova tooling and just added to the length of the screen which would throw the curvature at the botom out like it is.
I suppose you could build up the fibreglass to make the screen fit, it would still look much better than a flat screen and you may not even notice it if you do it neatly enough.

[mell0rman]

Yep the original screen I sent them came out the car and fitted correctly. Amending all the frame is an option I did not really want to go down. Will see what they come back with, Its still early days. I think they have some more orders queued up but waiting for my results before progressing.
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[mell0rman]

Response as follows
Your pattern did not look that far off on the Nova tooling – it’s a shame as it means the only option is for us to tool to the glass you supplied as a pattern ( assuming you are confident that it fits your car).
Generally this is not something we do unless someone is funding the tooling, unless we feel that will recover our costs by selling a number of glasses
How many glasses do you think we would sell in say a year?

I'm not sure what to suggest from the response I would think only a hand-full if that. I think there are a couple of similar kits which the glass may fit but cannot remember the names or if they exist in this country. May have to live with this as its the closest match.

[mell0rman]

Just sat pondering, I'm wondering if to suggest that the screen is left how it is and a slight modification to the lower edge of the car will have to be introduced or some sort of rubber. I personally do not think that they would get a return on investment if they have to make a specific tooling jig. I like that fact that if I make the change once I know I can get another screen anytime should it require it. Open to suggestions

[chrisbailey]

Well the trouble is for the expense, people will not want to modify the eagle body aswell, they want a drop in screen.
It will be OK for you if you can make the screen look half decent, atleast you will have a replacement, I cant see anybody else going this route though.
Most people who buy a kitcar dont know much about the mechanical side, bodywork is even worse so i dont think its going to change anything.
Shame, I thought we had it then aswell

[mell0rman]

Got a few days of this week so giving this a good coat of looking at to see what can be done.

[Deleted]

Jul 25, 2010 18:23:18 GMT chrisbailey said:

Most people who buy a kitcar dont know much about the mechanical side, bodywork is even worse

WHOA...................controversial or what Chris?

[Peter]

Actully Chris hit the nail on the head which is why 80% of kits never see the road.

[mell0rman]

Well thought about removing some of the inner lip fiberglass around the windscreen frame to allow the screen to drop in more but after a lot more thinking decided its a no. Also thought about cutting the top where it joins the body and then just bending the frame up (always great-full for more head room and vision) but again thinking nope too much work.
Now going off on a tangent slightly, I serviced the wife Chrysler the other day and to get to the spark plugs, I had to remove a lot of trim near the windscreen and wiper motor assembly stuff. What I did notice during this, is that the windscreen on the Chrysler is not sat in any lip recess, its its just stuck on with adhesive with about an inch gap to the body.

So going on this, I think I will just stick the glass in as it is which works for a Chrysler and then put some trim around the edge to hide the adhesive filler in the gap. The hight difference between my screen edge at the bottom where its suppose to meet the car body is 24 mil. So I should be able to cover this with trim.

I know its not the fairy tail ending we wanted, but its a lot better than no screen at all. I can not seen a better alternative.

[Deleted]

I thought I would put this in as it might be helpful. I've modified the window frame on my Eagle SS as I was having no luck getting a new window. The window is now a flat sheet of thick toughened laminated glass and is stuck in with sikoflex.
I’m hoping the photos come out below properly.


Started with an MDF and card template on the window,




I them made it out of marine ply



It’s then glued in place, again with sikoflex and filled, and smoothed off. The whole thing was covered in resin to help stop any water.



A finished side view of the window. Because of the curve at the front the window does still look slightly curved unless you look side on



In the channel there’s a pipe that takes any water away. The Pipe exits the car just behind the off side front wheel. With the amount of glue, filler etc it can’t leak. The car has now been though two MOT’s and an inspection by the DVLA and no one has mentioned it. The glass cost me £80. It was made around the MDF template.

Not the perfect solution as it has changed the front of the car. But at the time I wanted to get it on the road. Just thought I would share that with you.

[Deleted]

There's a solution..flat screen detracts a little from the original concept but as Ollie says it's got him watertight and mobile.

I reckon the answer for you Mellorman now you've already splashed out for your curved screen is to get hold of some polyurethane foam. You can get it in sheets, strips etc etc. Build up and sand to the contour of the screen and blend to a neat line to the bodyshell...much of it will be hidden behind that fat slapper of a bonnet anyway. Once happy with the shape bond it in place, cover with resin and grp mat + grp tissue...sand fill and paint................better than covering the gap with trim in my opinion.


Good luck

[Peter]

IMHO you should back the dam thing to Pilkington and tell them to make it the size you asked for.

[chrisbailey]

I cant see pilkington giving a $#!£, I would just build the fibreglass up to the bottom of your screen, however fibreglass is nasty vile disgusting stuff to work with, you will end up getting it everywhere, my drive is now 75% resin, I really do advise setting your workspace up just like you were going to spray your car, it will pa dividends when you dont have to sand all the excess mess back.

[Deleted]

I agree unless lots of windscreens are going to be made Pilkingtons wont care. I would go for the modification to the surround. Rather than just slapping on the fibre glass resin and sheets which is very messy you could always use pre made fibre glass sheets. You can buy them ready made however I’ve always made my own (lots cheaper) then you can cut the sheet without to much mess and only need to use a bit of resin to bond it to the car. The sheet can be bent into the required shape easily.

Piece of white backed hard board I find best to use to make the sheets as resin doesn’t stick to it. Two layers of matting and lots of resin and you have your own fibre glass sheets.

[Deleted]

Surely you are not expected to pay £320 + vat for them to make a screen that dosent fit, especialy when you gave them a screen that fitted as a template, The surround shouldn't have to be modified just because it's a kitcar!

Stu