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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2008 16:55:39 GMT
URGENT
Please could any paid up members of the club please log into the members only section and read the thread on club officials.
If you have not got your password please PM me and I will let you have another one.
Cheers
Helen
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2009 11:27:40 GMT
Helen, I joined the club some time back and have had absolutely nothing from the club. No acknowledgment, membership card, newsletter, nothing! Is my membership due for renewal? I started work (in my own time) on a new website for the club as you know, but have had no information passed onto me for the pages that need it. It is currently available here: www.audiografix.co.uk/test/eoc/index.htmlDo you still want it or shall I delete it? I'm hope to get some more work done on my RV this year and really see the need for the club to be accessible. All it seems to be to me is a Forum. I don't always have chance to visit the forum on a regular basis so a simple email advising me of what is going on would have been useful. Yours and anyone elses comments would be appreciated. Steve Howe.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2009 13:13:40 GMT
well done I like it ;D
could it be intergrated with this site?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2009 16:24:59 GMT
Excellent, I like it too. Well worth more time & effort.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2009 16:45:24 GMT
well done I like it ;D could it be intergrated with this site? In theory Yes. I think there is a different Forum in the I-frame at the moment because there was a problem with the coding or settings of this forum, something to do with the page expanding into it's own tab or frame. It was put there just to prove the I-frame.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2009 16:48:11 GMT
well done I like it ;D could it be intergrated with this site? In theory Yes. I think there is a different Forum in the I-frame at the moment because there was a problem with the coding or settings of this forum, something to do with the page expanding into it's own tab or frame. It was put there just to prove the I-frame. Just had a look and realised I'd put the link in at the top right. But yes, there could be a page within the site for the forum.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2009 17:39:57 GMT
I think it needs to be discussed by the 'people in the know' as I am aware of issues regarding this site
I do agree the site is in need of updating but accept it takes a lot of time and effort
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2009 20:18:53 GMT
Hi all
As we all know well enough the site attached to this working forum is faulty and has been for a long time, I would not attempt to integrate the old site with any new website, just ditch it and start anew with this fresher looking site. All we need is a working link to this form which is perfectly adequate for our needs.
It would be nice to have the old content that we have been told still exists made available to this willing volunteer. I have found the material very usefull as have many others.
cheers.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2009 21:28:57 GMT
The link is already there at the top right of the page.
As far as using the content of the other site, I could just use it, but... apparently I need the nod from whoever supplied it in the first place.
It must be said though that I will not do any more until I know what is happening regarding the club. I am not sure if I am still a member!
My thought was that if the technical pages were accessible by club members only, that would be a good enough reason to join in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2009 21:45:21 GMT
quote '' I could just use it, but... apparently I need the nod from whoever supplied it in the first place ''
The committee are in discussion with the site supplier
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2009 23:35:32 GMT
Allyboy, you seem to have a problem differentiating between the eagle owners club website and eagle kit cars site. The first and the one owned by this club is working fine and to my knowledge always has been (although outdated). Eaglekitcars.co.uk is a privately owned site linked to this forum free of charges. Although it is not working correctly at the present time the webmaster of this site is trying to sort. There is an issue with their new hosting service. We believe that this is being addressed but this takes time and they do it in free moments.
Axeman I have sent you a PM.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2009 23:51:08 GMT
As much as the work done by the willing volunteer is appreciated! WHO sanctioned it? I for one don't remember it it being run by the committee! As far as ditching the content of this and the previous site goes! There are years of information contained within those sites! So again, WHO sanctioned that that information should be dumped? No I don't own an Eagle anymore! But believe it or not I still turn up and support the Club at shows! IF you guys want to take over the Club thats fine by me. But just make sure you are in attendance at all the shows manning the Eagle Stand! Cos I haven't met any of you in the last 5 years! (Scorpio excepted) Balls in your court!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2009 0:24:17 GMT
Helen, oh helen, so predictable, the slightest whif of criticism and your on it like a Pit Bull, or is it just me? Yes it is hard for me to tell the difference between the sites because when you click the link it says " Looking for www.eaglekitcars.co.uk? Well youve found it!!! WE HAVE MERGED THE TWO SITES TO BRING YOU ONE COMPREHENSIVE SITE TOTALLY DEDICATED TO EAGLE KITCARS" this is a quote. Is this not true? Have we been lied to. I dont really mind who owns what or runs what its just nice to see up to date material in there somewhere, the event diary ends in 2007, and the past events in 2006 so yes Helen they are working but a bit outdated. Chris, actually read the postings mate, I cant find anyone wanting to dump the old material, just the old site, it should of course be saved for reference, and the all important register proudly restored for all to see. There are far to many sensitive souls out there as Peter has already mentioned in the members forum. Points made on forums are not aimed at specific people. Unless like this one where individuals are specifically mentioned. Still lovin the RV (for as long as I still have it) Allyboy
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2009 0:30:36 GMT
As some1 who is trying to buy an rv ive found this site very useful!! However i must say that ive been to several kit car shows in the past couple of years and found the turn out of the club appalling!! ( empty space everytime)!!! Im also a guest member of the jago site which is identical in everyway to this and much more widely used !! As an outsider looking in this forum seems to be held together by the morale of about 10 people with a few extra occasional people with input! Seems a bit of a shame really as id love to get my hands on an rv and would be more than happy to rock up to a kit car show and show the world my pride and joy!! lol
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2009 20:05:52 GMT
Helen, oh helen, so predictable, the slightest whif of criticism and your on it like a Pit Bull, or is it just me? Yes it is hard for me to tell the difference between the sites because when you click the link it says " Looking for www.eaglekitcars.co.uk? Well youve found it!!! WE HAVE MERGED THE TWO SITES TO BRING YOU ONE COMPREHENSIVE SITE TOTALLY DEDICATED TO EAGLE KITCARS" this is a quote. Is this not true? Have we been lied to. I dont really mind who owns what or runs what its just nice to see up to date material in there somewhere, the event diary ends in 2007, and the past events in 2006 so yes Helen they are working but a bit outdated. Chris, actually read the postings mate, I cant find anyone wanting to dump the old material, just the old site, it should of course be saved for reference, and the all important register proudly restored for all to see. There are far to many sensitive souls out there as Peter has already mentioned in the members forum. Points made on forums are not aimed at specific people. Unless like this one where individuals are specifically mentioned. Still lovin the RV (for as long as I still have it) Allyboy Ally. I can't quite work out your agenda? You criticise Helen and the Club for being behind the times! But, You openly admit to not wanting to do the shows! And both your RV's are either for sale or sold! So what exactly is your problem with the Club?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2009 21:40:43 GMT
I have no dealings with the content of the web pages for the eagle owners club website. This is all left to the webmaster (davidEJM) who is a committee member of the club.
The idea of bringing in Axeman when he offered his help on the forum was to take some of the pressure off of David as he had admitted that he did not have the time.
I am aware that the diary pages are out of date and have been for two years but I cannot change these.
As for the content of eaglekitcars.co.uk I can only say that I was surprised when I saw the statement that they had been merged and it was, I believe when this was being taken off that the problems started for the owners of the site. They are looking to remove that statement but are willing to keep links to this forum running.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2009 22:15:18 GMT
Hi Guys
Well I guess this one is down to me.....
Chris, Steve offered his help to redesign the 'eagleownersclub' site to make the existing information more easily available (because many of the links don't work at the moment) and to integrate the existing forum into the website as a whole. This aspect in particular is an annoyance to me and something I wanted to get sorted. His involvement was on my behalf and my intention was to get to the point of a working draft containing the existing detail before putting the whole package to the committee for approval.
Some months ago Steve did ask me for some more background on each of the models in the Eagle range to update the information on the site, something I have been unable to dedicate any time to and more recently it has slipped my mind.
As has been said on many occasions in the past, the 'eaglekitcars' site is not connected to 'eagleownersclub', though it does contain a great resource of information and we should all be grateful that this information continues to be made available.
It has been said that the club and the forum are two different things. Well it may be that the club existed separately before the forum was created, however I think that the two are very much one and the same now. If for no other reason that the majority of the clubs members think this to be the case.
Where do we go from here? Well as I have explained on a number of occasions, at the moment I simply do not have the time to dedicate to creating a new website (though that is of personal regret, because I would love to be able to get the site working properly and integrated with the forum).
Positive constructive criticism is always welcomed, but if those criticisms are more personal in their nature and do not offer anything to the 'cause', don't be surprised if they are knocked back sharply.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2009 23:53:04 GMT
I dont have an agenda regarding the club, I am just being a normal enthusiast for the RV
Since the new year I have through the correct channels ie the members only forum been politely asking for any progress, encouraging the addition of new content, looking for dates of potential shows closer to more northerly based eagle enthusiasts. Just look at the replies and judge the general interest levels for yourself.
Through the other forums I have been trying to stimulate the movement of bits of RVs amongst members to get people using their RVs more. I have also added many photos of the work to my own jeep adding the hardtop and doors etc and reports and photos of offroad days etc and helping with advice and parts to newbies as much as possible.
What exactly have you been doing? Have you started threads? Added content? Uploaded photos or offered bits for sale?
Do you read this and see criticism? Just be honest, if you dont have the time for this then thats cool.
What cars I choose to buy or sell is my business. If you were really interested and read my other posts you would also know that i sold my trusty Land rover 110 defender as well, my wifes MG Midget is also for sale at present so as you can deduce we are having a bit of a clearout. (Apart from the 4 litre Jeep Wrangler I picked up for a good price!!!)
I personally dont care for the word agenda very much, it implies some sort of underhand subterfuge that I have no time for. I would say that in general I speak very straight, and that is what seems to elicit these responses especially from some of the long time members.
This is a forum and people should feel free to talk openly and frankly and to express ideas without being jumped upon by committee members, thats what forums are for.
The positive contributions I make to this forum massively outweigh the issues that I have raised regarding the websites faillings.
Had the RV out today for a few hours and was regretting the hardtop decision already, it was definately a tops off afternoon up here, almost balmy. The new clutch is bedding in now and I got the time to properly seal the centre joint in the exhaust. We will be offroad again in two weeks so excitement is starting to build.
Bye for now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2009 1:00:07 GMT
allyboy, I think it is commendable that you are getting involved and that you are interested in the marque and the RV in particular. I, for one, am pleased to see RV's getting used regularly.
I do think you have confused some of the comments I have made with some other members earlier responses on this thread. However, if the following comments are intended for me then I will deal with each one in turn........
What exactly have you been doing? Well, working mostly and as with most members, this is something I do for fun when I have time/money both of which are in short supply.
Have you started threads? Irrelevant really.
Added content? Again, not sure of the relevance. I answer questions and add content if I have something to say. If I have nothing to add, I say nothing. That is the way I am.
Uploaded photos or offered bits for sale? Again difficult to see the relevance. Whilst my RV was undergoing work I regularly added content and uploaded photos to the forum.
Do you read this and see criticism? I do, but that is OK. Like I said before, criticism is OK with me. No-one is a greater critic of what I am able to do than me.
Just be honest, if you dont have the time for this then thats cool. No, at the moment I don't have the time for this and I have made that abundantly clear.
With regard to the suggestion of an 'agenda', you will see that I did not make that suggestion which is why I think you seem to be confusing some of the earlier posts.
Regards David
PS. Good luck with the upcoming 4x4 event and don't forget the photo's as they always make interesting viewing. I still hanker after a proper mudplugging RV.
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Post by Gary on Mar 22, 2009 1:04:51 GMT
Hi guys. Not been on here for a while, just sat a read though all the threads Alleyboy seems to me to be nothing short of a trouble maker.(There i have gone and said it) You lot can just think it. Lets hope he finds a Wrangler site to go a stir up Then we won't have to put up with his i go 4x4ing so i think i am better than you sh1t. How do i put this without sounding Racist, The club does the major British kit car shows as it has always done (may be not that well attended but they have always had a stand) If the more northern members want to start dictating what and where the club attends, then those people should get them selves along to the A.G.M at Stoneleigh (The right place for these option to be discussed). I for one think that bearing in mind all the crap that happened on here not so long ago and with the tensions still running quite high, The committee are doing a fine job of holding it all together.These people, some of whom don't even own Eagles anymore give up what spare time they can for free to help run this club. If they were paid then jump all over them.. There are ways of putting your ideas across without criticizing (if you are more direct and you know this) PM a committee member with your ideas and they can then relay this in a polite way on to the forum. I will go now i am sure that this post will be pulled to bits but as of this time i have lost all the passion i had for this forum with all it's sniping etc so I really don't care... Think about this:- Who you you going to get to put up with all that they do, When they all walk away We will not be selling my Eagle RV as it is our baby our first kit car that we built 18 years ago (neither do i think that it will ever realistically be sitting on an Eagle owners club stand) I will continue to enjoy it the way that i have always enjoyed it, I really wish i could say the same for this forum.. PS. Grom30 "quote" I'm also a guest member of the Jago site which is identical in every way to this and much more widely used !! As an outsider looking in this forum seems to be held together by the morale of about 10 people with a few extra occasional people with input! I am one of those 10 people, gselect.. 5th highest poster on that site. I believe that the reason that the other site works is that there is a genuine passion for their cars and for keeping them on the road, Its a common theme though out the site, the members have even been known to give each other parts for the cost on the postage. They even phone each other for chats about non cars related issues. I've even been night laning (4x4ing the dark) with one of the club members it was fantastic. In short its a kit car club about kit cars not the people.Just for the record..I log on to the Allcar site first. To catch up on Jason,Simon and Nigel and Nery's. Eagle site. To check out the daily input A midlands 4x4 site. To discuss the next outings. Then the Jago site. To discuss every thing. Then if i have the time, i go though them all again to see if i have missed anything. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2009 1:27:25 GMT
hi dave
Yes I was replying to yours and the previous post in the same reply, ok?
Gary had a quick scan of your post, no comment really you are of course entitled to your own opinions.
Cheers
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Post by chrisbailey on Mar 22, 2009 14:35:34 GMT
I think there are some fair points raised by alleyboy. This website has been like this for aslong as i have used it, about 3 years now i think. to be honest the only time this forum is used is when thee is an argument or some other irrelevant rubbish like the word game. I think the problem here is nobody has got the time to run this website, those who have the time cant run it. And all of this arguing doesnt exactly impress and advertise well to future members. Building a website isnt realy that hard, ive done plenty of them. what you need is a basic design, get rid of the pointless links that clutter everything up, and you could change this forum ober to a pre built php one. The new euro-nova website www.euro-nova.co.uk has got is absolutely correct. Just use that as a base idea. and please stop all of this arguing! everybody is getting tired of it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2009 21:17:52 GMT
Arguments aside! Who is intending to attend Stoneleigh with an Eagle? The Club Stand is booked! So how many of you are going?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2009 21:41:19 GMT
Yes I Know! But as no one has replied to that thread! I thought it prudent to post it around! Same question asked there as well!
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Post by Peter on Mar 24, 2009 10:55:25 GMT
The difference between the Eagle proboards and the Euro-Nova PHP is the contributors and content, not a question of which board format you use. Members of the Euro-Nova site actually talk about their cars and interrelate mainly on a technical basis, not on idle chit chat. I have said it many times and I still say it, the EOC is a KIT CAR CLUB for EAGLE OWNERS and supporters!
In years gone by I was kept busy answering questions and technical queries on a daily basis both on line and by e-mail which I enjoyed, now only a couple of people ask for help and as the club and this board was formed to provide help to builders and reformers as well as being a contact point for an active club it seems to have either failed in it’s purpose or is no longer needed. I am fed up with people connecting the web site to the message board, the message board was never intended to replace the EOC site and as has been said, a lot of the problems stem from people considering this board to be the official EOC site, it is not and never has been, it is merely a public contact point.
Tweaking Simon’s old site (stuffed full of info) to be the ‘new’ EOC site hasn’t worked as it isn’t maintained any more than the ‘official’ EOC site is, so now we have two sites that are full of content but half baked! Time and time again I inserted forums on the board and tuned the site to please members and visitors only to see them not used or abused and it all became a waste of time and effort. I have twice offered in the past year to take on the web site again and update the EOC pages for the first time in two years and sort out the links but it has obviously been declined and I normally only offer once, so you're on your own.
It’s easy to build a web PAGE but to build a properly connected, professional looking SITE, do the art work, load all the content, images, links and text files and get it working and keep it working, is neither easy or quick. As usual, a load of criticism and suggestions but who is actually volunteering to take the load off of the people who are currently slogging away keeping things going and maintain that commitment?
And, in case someone out there doesn’t know, I rebuilt the EOC over five years ago, started the BB after the old one was wiped out and ran the club on my own until I recruited members to help and form a committee for the first time years, (some said "my club", but at least it was an active club).
I have been an active EOC member since buying my new VW SS in 1995, (originally member 034, now 001). I took on the job of webmaster for "6 weeks" whilst the chairman, Bob, (where the hell is he?) Wright painted his house but I ended up with the whole club to run when there wasn't even any paid up members, much less a committee and Bob kept all the equipment and bank funds so it was started from almost scratch and only I stepped down when it was suggested new blood might improve the club and I also felt the club should be run from the UK not Spain, not to mention the agro building between certain members/supporters which I certainly didn't need. So if I get a bit pissed off seeing all that effort going down the tubes and rave on, I hope my comments will be taken in the correct light. Peter
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2009 21:46:22 GMT
Hi Peter
The more info that comes out the more I can see why all this gets to you.
As a new ish member it is frustrating to see no progress, I have also wondered why your offer of help was not really acknowledged or accepted.
David does not have much time to spend on the site and is trying to get past the technical issues maybe a PM to Dave could get things sorted out?
I think that a lot of the forum activity is exactly what you would expect when people new to the car are trying to get info and parts and ideas? Apart from the odd flare up usually about the eoc site just about every question gets at least a few answers or pictures I am new to forums though so this is about the only one i am on.
Bye for now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2009 18:15:53 GMT
hi all , hello peter , (hope your legs are better) hi chris (see you soon bud) i understand what peter is saying here , this is a forum for eagle owners , it is not the club , off the top of my head, you join the club and get access to an insurance discount which is worth a lot more than the membership fee, plus you get access to the club shop that supplies badges vin plates keyrings aso i believe ,etc ,if you have paid a membership fee then you have peace of mind that you helped launch the club shop and also if you go to a show you will be able to stand out of the rain in the marqueethat membership money also paid for , marquee does need a few repaires from time to time and also membership money will pay for this i beleive, keyrings laso i believe , allyboy ,, did you ask what your membership benifits are then join ,, or did you join then decide what you want from the club ,, i think some extreme moderation is in order ,, i would have just deleted some of these threads without hesitation ,, so ,,,,, i think that you get a good deal from joining the eoc and peace of mind that there are people here to help you with tech stuff on your car and also other cars to brows and pick ideas from , as for the forum , thats all it is , you can use it alongside the eoc to chat with likeminded people , or you can vandalise it and turn it into a war zone and maybe lose it,, if you really want to have a go allyboy then www.rvownersclub.co.uk is available to buy and you could try that ,, as for keep asking for progress reports ,, progress on what the show stands get booked, the marquee arrives and gets set up by volenteers , scorpio i think , well done,,, the website is there and supplies the info ,, we all know that the website has some updates that need doing , thats life , the person doing the updates is doing it for free , give them a break , now who is gonna be brave enough to clean all the rubbish from the forum ,
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2009 19:08:01 GMT
Seconded.........Jason is spot on in what he has said.
In fairness anyone who is not happy with the committee, which is part of what am reading into this, can attend Stoneleigh where they can meet other club members & maybe become part of the committee.
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Post by terryrob on Mar 25, 2009 23:14:44 GMT
Thirded , apart from the website in need of update, we have a chat, share info and experience, have laugh, post pics of our builds and other things, all here on the forum. We attend shows to meet fellow members and see there cars for real, and I have met many great people and characters in our club and the ACC and Club Nova. I meet up with mates from the north east and many other people who I have met over the years ( about 25 years on and off at stoneleigh) on manufacturers stands etc. For me thats what its all about. I'm sure the web site will be sorted by the few that know how to do it. The EOC is fine See you all at stoneleigh CHEERS
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