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Post by soldonkits on Jan 18, 2020 15:33:16 GMT
I thought I would start a new thread on Eagle SS windscreens after realising how old the original one was and how, to some extent, it needed updating and simplifying for anyone trying to obtain a new screen. (or a second hand one, if my order comes through for the new one.)
My challenge began when I got 'Humpty', his screen was showing some signs of delamimation, not badly, but with all the effort I was about to put into a complete restoration, I thought I would simply order a new one. Then, before I got very far into what was to turn out to be a long, long, ...... long exchange of emails with pilkington's Classics screens department, I came accross another Eagle, too far gone to resotre but with parts that were of use, including a screen. After removing and cleaning up this second screen, I noticed it too has the early signs of edge delamination, like my original screen. As a result, I thought a quick call to Piklingtions would give me the new screen I needed for the ailing 'Humpty'.
Needless to say, I am still in the ordering process but at least I now have some concrete prices for screens, their delivery, and the options available when ordering one.
I plan to trawl through the chain of emails and come back with the details for any interested in buying a screen. I also have some interesting work-arounds and top- tips or advice for those looking for something a little more customised... more later.
As an add-on to this article about screens, I have some spare rear windows available. These were custom made to fit into a recess in the same way as the front screen fits, thereby doing away with the mounting rubber. The new screen fits directly into the rear bulkhead nad not the tunnel over the tank. The glass is toughened, tinted and with black border and fritting. They look really cool but as they were made to order, I needed to order more than I actually needed to get teh job done. If anyone is interested in further deatials and a price, just let me know.
Photos of screens and rear windows to follow.
Hopefully, I will soon start to see some progress with all this resto obsession, but at the moment it's like swimming in treackle... no as much fun as it sounds!
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Post by chrisbailey on Jan 18, 2020 16:31:55 GMT
I think i will need another screen in the forseable future. Id be interested in both the cost of new and if you are sellingbthe old screens. more info on the rear window too. Is it easy to fit to an SS without body modification?
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Post by Peter on Jan 19, 2020 13:40:05 GMT
Edge de-lamination is a common problem but there is a solution, there is a repair fluid for cracked phone glass etc that is sold on eBay that seeps into the cracks and lamentations by capillary action and fixes it, I am using it on mine (and my xiaomi Mix 2 glass back panel) as getting a screen is not an option here. even via car-glass. I have the original screen markings but not sure how they compare to the latest EU requirements.
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Post by soldonkits on Mar 31, 2020 11:00:10 GMT
Well it's taken a lot longer than anticipated to complete this screen entry with a few facts. I hope anyone previously interested is still watching. My excuse is that I've been laid up with a slipped disc for what felt like years and the additional fogginess caused by the painkillers was a mixed blessing. Now we have this corona disaster to work around. Anyway, where was I... My search for a new screen started in October last year, Pilkington Classics Screens are the people who hold all the cards regarding screens for Eagles and similar kit cars, but alternatives like the Nova screen won't fit the Eagle. I mention this for a reason to be explained later. First bit of info is that they do still make a standard screen for the Eagle SS under code A1881 CL this comes in at £505.05 plus delivery and of course the dreaded VAT. My original screen is a green tinted Sundym version that Pilkington Classics say they have never made, but as others owners have a similar screen, I assume their records are wrong. They will make a Sundym version, A1881 GN (Sundym) for £541.23, again plus del and VAT. They will even replicate the black border for an extra charge that involves a one-off set-up charge of £1200... I declined the border option. The only other possibility was to ft a Nova screen which would come with border and tint but which would require a lot of modification to the window recess to get it to fit. As of third week in January 2020 the delivery was 14 weeks, plus any corona extra time. Order placed and with spare painkillers given to my wallet, I await the arrival of my new screen... hopefully. The person to contact, at least it was for me, is Emma Dony, Classics@nsg.com As a result of this I will soon have two screens available taken from various Eagle SS including my own, one plain, the other Sundym. These are in good condition and would pass any MOT. I will be repairing any delamination marks using crack repair fluid, the trick passed on to me by Peter. I will be offering them for sale at £200 each but as I don't have a jiffy bag large enough for postage they would be collection only. Don't scrap any more rare Eagles for want of a screen! The other screen I wanted to let people know about is a new rear screen. I have had these custom made and they come smoked / tinted with painted black border to fit directly into the rear bulkhead (after some re-cutting to suit) using screen rubber or bonded into a recess like the front screen after a little fiberglass modification. These are toughened glass and very nicely made by Autoglass. I have spares, thanks to a minimum order quantity, so have a few to sell at £100 to move them on.
4mm thick x 185mm high x 620mm at the widest point (top corners). They are symmetrical, despite the odd angle of the photo. My email is listed on the bulletin board for anyone needing more info. As for fitting and black borders I am going to attempt a simple black border on my door windows to hide the rubber seals, hinges and catch plus a change in the opening shape to reduce the crimping of rubbers in tight corners. I'll be experimenting with a glass etching solution and 2k satin black spray paint. If it works, I'll give more details, if it fails, I'll be going very quiet about it.
If successful, I'll also attempt a border on the new screen. Watch this space.
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Post by Peter on Mar 31, 2020 12:13:17 GMT
Great post, I hope some will take up the hard work you have put in but giving personal experience, .... I am deciding if to get another late model side window in glass or make a pair in plastic, the last one I made in poly was too flexible and could be opened quite a bit on the top rear corner. I have one side window, once I get all the tint crap off that not only is not allowed but has deteriorated badly. I see a modification or version of side windows with top hinges and a different fastening, might look at that with plastic.
p.s. hope you don't mind that I did a couple of small edits on typos. Peter
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Post by soldonkits on Mar 31, 2020 16:37:40 GMT
Thanks Peter, I'm keen but annoyingly dyslexic... no seriously. Writing these blogs takes all my literary concentration and that part of me is not good at the best of times.
I'm working on new fixings for the side door windows, at the same time as painting the border on them. As they are flat, toughened glass is still cheap to get cut and hardened. The new donor hinges and catch come from a Ford Ka. To give them the best chance of fitting, I'm using a much smaller window seal. The original seal was the same as the door seal and quite chunky. The original window hinges look like they came from a '60's kitchen cupboard... at least what's left of them. I hope this mod makes the windows more secure as the fixings will all be inside the car and not pop-riveted onto the outside of the window frame. I hope to post something about the door lock and handle changes I'm making to the doors but it's too early to say if I'll succeed. New blog if it works.
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Post by Peter on Apr 1, 2020 11:39:13 GMT
The side window 'hinges' have always been a couple of M6 screws and nylok nuts through grommets, with e front edge, (MkI) or bottom and top corners, MkII & III) The grommets I find very hard to buy, (4 x 6mm and two 8mm), basically just a pop out catch at the bottom rear and flexing within the two front grommets. Any 'hinges' as such would be owner modifications. I will look at top mounting Ka hinges and a bottom catch. I was quoted 50€ for a replacement toughened glass some time ago but as always prices always rise, never drop. We have toll booths on the motorways so I would need to be able to pass money out or open door.
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Post by terryrob on Apr 2, 2020 22:19:56 GMT
All good stuff guys, the screen issue has been going on a loooooong time.
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Post by Peter on Apr 3, 2020 10:56:54 GMT
All good stuff guys, the screen issue has been going on a loooooong time. Ya don't say. I would say decades myself. A couple of the guys, as well as a similar effort on the Nova front, have produced options but the take up is virtually nil, doesn't really encourage folks to make the effort does it. I know Tim Naylor (TEAC) tried to get a bulk order of ten screens together at a much reduced price with some available to members but like the Mk IV it never happened.
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Post by chrisbailey on Apr 3, 2020 12:09:10 GMT
My screen is not great, its got a deep scratch and metal filing embedded in it from some ill thought grinding by the previoys owner. What is the condition of the ones you are selling? Might be tempted by a new screen
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Post by soldonkits on Apr 4, 2020 15:59:13 GMT
Hi Chris, The screens I have show some small patches of delaminating around the edges but only a little way into the screen, ie not past the bonding area. I intend to do a repair with screen craze solution, the sort of thing used to fix stone chips etc. This should tidy them up but they are both servicable as they are, with no stone chips or scratches. They would represent a saving of over £300 on a new screen and would be available a lot sooner, assuming any buyer can arrange collection.
On the subject of screens, has anyone else found the opening a little large ( too deep or tall) for the height of the SS screen? My original screen barely sat on the top edge bonding recess when sat fully onto the bottom recess. I wondered if the opening had been cut a little generous. I've since remedied this by making the top bonding area a little deeper adding another 15mm to its width. Anywhere the car was cut was a rough job and Iwondered if this was factory hacking or down to the original builder.
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Post by trike on Apr 5, 2020 6:32:07 GMT
The fit on my new screen wasn't perfect,size or shape. Fitted ok at the bottom but diferent curve at the top.Possibly the roof has gone out of shape over the years? Had to fit some rubber trim to tidy it up.
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Post by soldonkits on Apr 5, 2020 10:34:50 GMT
Roof has gone out of shape!? Don't you just love these cars!? If it wasn't so good looking, I'd push mine into the nearest river and regain some sanity.
I may have mentioned this before but my first kit car was a Mini Marcos Mk IV. Superbly made with not a bubble in the gel anywhere. Perfectly finish and virtually bomb-proof. I stood on the roof to prove it.
Still, you have to love the Eagle, they really get under your skin. My secret admission is that I haven't even had a ride in one yet and don't know if I'll fit in mine when it's finished (if it ever gets finished). Trying hard not to think about that! I can fit in all the separate bits... the shell in the garage, the chassis on the driveway and the bucket seat in the bedroom so what could go wrong.
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Post by soldonkits on Jun 5, 2020 10:27:14 GMT
Well, miracles do happen! After some 6 months from initial contact, I now have a new screen from Pilkington Classics. Haven't dared try it in place to see if it fits but so far it looks good. 'Sundym tint' with the correct Eagle code so unless the car screen opening has moved, It should be a go-er. Can't fit it though until the shell has been painted so fingers crossed till then. Spare screens should than be available for sale. Next job will be to replicate the black border, without ruining the screen. If it works more about that later. Still working on door fit. Has anyone got desperate enough to consider cutting the inner door skin to improve the fit? A slim wedge removed and re-bond would allow the doors to bend into the opening a little more. Mine stick out at the bottom edge and down the lower sides. Drastic but might work. At the moment, it looks bad and the doors won't lock. Right back to the prototype twin gas ram system for the doors, also more on that later. Just starting to get a bit brassed-off with putting things right, would love to start putting the bits together!
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Post by chrisbailey on Jun 5, 2020 11:02:08 GMT
Sounds like there are some interesting posts to come.
I am interested in what you come up with for the doors. If i get mine mechanically finished this year, I might try to improve them too.
The progress you are making is great.
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Post by austin20 on Jun 5, 2020 16:51:03 GMT
I have gone into colour with my SS and will want to work on trim when I get glass. I have posted on other parts of the forum regarding one of the second hand screens . I need one to keep the rain out and check the window aperture shape.will post some pics when I've made significant headway.
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Post by Peter on Jun 6, 2020 11:55:08 GMT
A lot of talk both here and on Euro-Nova about de-laminating around the edge. The 'super glue' derivative that has made an appearance in recent times works very well, even fixing the dreaded 'cracked screen', If one inserts a thin craft knife blade gently into the de-laminated area and applies a little of the glass repair liquid it cures that problem 1000%.
If removing the screen the wire used by screen replacement shops works well but only draw it outwards, best way is to run the wire around the screen in one movement. Two people make it easier too, one inside, one outside.
Black borders can be made with masking with making tape and then applying thinned down sealer.
?Handles can be applied to the outside of screens using hot glue and 2 x 1" batons so to get a grip. Remove by applying Acetone to release the glue.
Just some tips.
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Post by soldonkits on Jun 7, 2020 12:58:46 GMT
Not normally one to question advice from Peter but someone in the car trade, associated with screens, advised me that very little sticks to a glass screen. Pre-bond sealer would stick but might not give the same dense black as the baked-on original border. This border Pilkingtons still insist they never supplied so my screen was either a pirate or home-spun solution. The advice was to etch the glass, either by shot blasting (risky) or chemical etching, then use a 2 pack paint to spray the surround. It's the route I'm going to try as the thought of the paint detatching on the adhesive and the screen flying off the car on a motorway is the stuff nightmares are made of! I'll post more on the painted border job if I'm successfull. If it doesn't work I'll just go very quiet on the subject and leave it to wiser men to write up.
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Post by Peter on Jun 8, 2020 9:21:24 GMT
No offense, I don't get it all right all the time and the rest can be open to interpretation, If one uses the same medium as one uses to 'glue' the screen in then it would be just as effective, just neatly applied before the un-thinned stuff bonds it in and being the same stuff would amalgamate into one. 'they say'.
But as we say in the kit building game. "Each unto their own".
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Post by austin20 on Jun 8, 2020 16:45:20 GMT
It look like soldonkits is coming through for me with one of his pre loved screens. After it is fitted I will be able to fit some trim. I think Peter just posted something along the lines of we do what we do In kit car builds. Looking at photos posted it's amazing how so much ends up similar without any conferring between us.
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Post by Peter on Jun 10, 2020 11:35:56 GMT
It look like soldonkits is coming through for me with one of his pre loved screens. After it is fitted I will be able to fit some trim. I think Peter just posted something along the lines of we do what we do In kit car builds. Looking at photos posted it's amazing how so much ends up similar without any conferring between us. Great minds an' all that stuff.
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Post by austin20 on Sept 12, 2020 10:42:35 GMT
Soldonkits kits came through as promised with a secondhand windscreen at a good price and with less delamination than I expected. It was also good to see it has no chips or scratches. He was also able to sell me a brake master cylinder and brake remote reservoir. Hopefully with all this I will be able to progress the rebuild quickly now.Thanks again to Soldonkits.
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Post by Peter on Sept 12, 2020 12:59:00 GMT
Sounds like you are well on the way, hope there are not too many hold ups ahead,but I bet there will be, there always is.
Sounds like soldonkits has come up trumps, great job.
I have similar success with my BMW stuff from Brutus on E30 forum.
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Post by austin20 on Nov 15, 2020 10:05:50 GMT
I'm beginning to think these cars don't want to be reborn. The replacement screen has been offered up to the screen apature and strangly enough the hole is out of shape. Its just a warning to anyone doing body prep make sure the screen fits the hole before paint.(I didnt). I had cut the damaged windscreen out of the car 12+ years ago and left it in place to give the taup over the cat some support and not to get rid of my only windscreen pattern. Unfortunatly the weight of the screen sat on it deflected the scuttle panel downwards. A quick fix was to fabricate a support framework. A most sound improvement improving on the flexibility of the original plus the scuttle is now back to where it should be. To ease movement of the scuttle I also slit the return edge with several cuts these closed up as the panel was lifted then the cuts re-glassed when in the correct position...more as it happens.
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Post by Peter on Nov 15, 2020 12:55:46 GMT
Quite an undertaking there, always a problem be it screens, doors or bonnets, if not supported correctly for a long time it WILL go out of shape.
Well done on the rescue.
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Post by austin20 on May 9, 2023 22:51:45 GMT
I've not posted for a while so I thought it about time I did. Continuing on with the screen thread. I had mine fitted by a local windscreen fitting company. Before they started they did research into what primers were required to bond onto fibre glass. They arrived with the correct primer and fitted the screen. Unfortunately only four months later I noticed bubbles in the adhesive. As my screen did not have a black edging I could easily see through the glass to the bubbles where the adhesive and primer were unsticking from the screen. When I called the fitters back to remove and refit the screen he informed me the problem was with the uv light from the sun. Due to my screen missing the black boarder the uv can get through the glass to the adhesive and affect its ability to adhere to the glass. The fix for this was to put a black band round the screen made from sign writers film. Incidentally my daily driver a Mercedes 180c has this month been issued with a mercedes recall notice regarding the adhesive that holds the sunroof in place,same problem?
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Post by Peter on May 10, 2023 14:28:21 GMT
I wish Mercedes had a recall on the lamella roof in the A170, sun heat unglued the front edge and it fell down, managed to get it back with 'no nails' glue that has a high temperature tolerance.
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