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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2014 11:39:41 GMT
I've just been given an Eagle SS kit car. It's been sitting on a driveway for about 20years. The guy's given me the V5 and the number plates with it. Number plate is a Q plate. I have no idea what the process is to get this road legal if it's got a Q plate. The logbook said something like "2 axle rigid saloon" but I think I also remember seeing Eagle SS somewhere on the V5 too.
Is it just a simple case of re-registering it onto the road, once MOT etc is sorted out or is there some new testing (e.g. IVA) it needs to got through nowadays?
I'll post a picture of it once I get to grips with uploading them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2014 11:45:46 GMT
Here's a picture of it when I first saw it
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Post by Peter on Apr 8, 2014 17:19:49 GMT
Welcome to the Eagle Forum. What we call a 'barn find', I cannot see the side window hinges so it is either a MkI (hinges on the front edge) or a MkIII (hinges top and bottom corners) hope the engine is OK and the floor pans are good or you will have some work to do, the most important thing is the screen, no cracks or you are in for 400 quid as a starter. more photos please and details of what it is. The V5 means it was at one time road legal and on a Q plate, so anything goes, you just need to get it sorted, PRE-Mot, so you don't waist insurance time on a none runner/ MoT Failure while you get it sorted. THEN insured and MoT then you can tax it and you are on the road. No other test like the SVA is needed. Good luck and welcome aboard the board
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2014 20:09:39 GMT
Hi Peter Thanks for the welcome. I went up there today to have a good look around it to see how we're going to get it on the trailer. It's on a 1969 VW Beetle swingaxle chassis (does that mean it will be tax exempt? even if it's on a Q plate?). I found out the reason why it's been sitting for so long. The guy bought it in the early 90's. Had it for a few days then span it on a simple bend, not going fast. Said it handled awful and was a death trap so parked it up and that was that, until I cam across it 20+ years later. The fibreglass has some damage from the crash. It was a light impact, but it was enough to break the rear and the front wing has a little damage. Nothing major that can't be fixed. Certainly no chassis damage. I'm not sure what Mark it is. Maybe you can tell me from the photo's I took today. There is also a front and rear bumper that come with it but both a damaged, one is a little damaged the other is missing a third of it completely. Not sure if it's the front or rear, but judging by the fact that the rear took the brunt of the impact I'd say it's probably the rear that's got the 1/3 missing. The engine is being donated to a guy who has a trike, which is fine as I'm probably going to put something else in there anyway (e.g. Subaru). I'm also probably going to change the chassis to an IRS one as I'm not fond of the Swingaxle rear end. May just convert the one that's on it, depends on what state it's in when I get it home and strip it. Going to be a few months work to get this one back on the road
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Post by terryrob on Apr 8, 2014 20:45:11 GMT
That is a great gift, but looks like you may have a lot of work to do. Be carefull these things can take over your life, at least all your spare time. The other stumbling block is stripping it down and then losing interest. Hope you have the commitment to get this back on the road.
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Post by Peter on Apr 8, 2014 21:55:27 GMT
Read' So you want to build a kit car. You will find it as a sticky in General. Changing the engine for Scooby will entail a LOT more work than I think you realise. The adaptor kit alone will Make your eyes water at close to £800, then the problems of plumbing, electrics, etc, not for the semi skilled, as far as axles go you can convert your chassis to IRS BUT, you will also have to change the gearbox, axles and suspension, £££ and that is before uprating brakes to cope with the extra power and handling, so on and and on, ££££ plus after 14 years doing much less myself to my SS it will take you years of spare time. On the other hand, keep the VW lump and up it 100 HP 1641cc, improve the swing axle and front end and spend the cash saved on the piant and trim, these cars are NOT designed for performance but show, they just LOOK fast. Start on what you have stated and I can see another car being sold on in a years time half done, they pop up on EBay every month. to be harsh and without knowing your skill set and facilities but it is well meant and hard learnt. Sent from my INGO-TAB using Tapatalk
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Post by Peter on Apr 8, 2014 22:07:14 GMT
PS. Can you pm me with the reg details etc for the register, regards what mark, it is a mkI or mkIII as the MkII had a seperat nose, like the Porsche 928 it emulated (lights etc). If it is a mkI the side window hinges will on the front edge not the corners.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2014 22:43:00 GMT
Thanks Peter I think it's a Mk1 then from memory. I'll look out for the location of the hinges on Friday. I've got the skills and the determination. These are my other toys, all self built: Roof chopped and de-pillared bug. 10 point rollcage. 160 BHP Type 4 engine (used to be 240bhp when supercharged) Other toy is my Porsche 914 rally car. Raced in the British Historic Championship for the past 5 years. I like my cars to go and handle as good as they look. No matter what it takes to achieve it. From initial inspection I suspect the Eagle SS handle awful. Swing axle back end. All the weight in the back (engine + gearbox + fuel), front is light as a feather. It's a disaster waiting to happen, as the previous owner seemed to find out fast. I'll assess what it would take to get a 44/55 weight distribution and go from there. Might even mean a mid mount of the Scuby/transmission, but I'll leave the conclusions until I've had a good assement of the car first. picking it up on Friday - lets' go from there. Will take lots of pictures so you can all enjoy the ride
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Post by Peter on Apr 9, 2014 7:46:39 GMT
Nice bug, Built a Baja for my daughter when she was at Cardiff Uni in '98, sold it and it is still much the same last year when she saw it again at a wedding clients, couldn't possibly drive a Baja with ones BA (hons) could one, Oh no. Now as Wedding planner of the year 2013 I think she had the right idea. That is a Bentley, My own venture into ramping it around the Forest of Dean etc. Good to see someone with BOTH the ideas, skills and what-have-you to realise them, so many sadly get killed by people with eyes bigger than either their wallets or capabilities and with only about 680 made in total it is a loss. as you know, what ever you do apart from just getting it on 4 wheels and running with two headlights, (I hope you have the other one) you will never make a profit so it has to be a labour of love. At least it is seeing the light of day and has the possibility of a future. Who owned it, Wurzel Gummidge? In a way it is a shame it is a VW version as the Ford version would have given you much more scope including mid-transverse, still an option with a VW kipper but a lot more involved, saw a Lancia Delta in the back of a VW SS with clam shell rear end in 1996 but long since disappeared as have so many others including a Ford 4x4 Cosworth version. As for swapping end, porkers do it quite well too, I have never had a 'moment' in my 1966 swing axle and that is with 100 horses under the lid, all a matter of driving styles, I have tried to explain to the wife why I drive her Corsa Sport differently to the BMW but she still doesn't get it. In the States a V6 or V8 in the rear is quite common with a Stirling or a Cimbria, (father of the SS)and there are a few Novas with big engine in the rear too, like Bushboys Eurika with a V6. Jason had a Ford SS witha Rover V8 up front, there have been many variations, mine is a stage 3 1641 type 2 with about 110hp. nothing apart from the dizzy drive is 'standard'. The front bumper wasn't supplied after the MkII with the 928 front end and mine didn't come with one and most people left it off the MkI too, ugly thing, at the rear the OEM bumper can still be seen but most people use something else, I have a MkI Golf one trimmed to fit. Historic reg', it goes on the date first registered not the donor, so as Eagles were only made from 1981 and historic is pre 1974 the answer is no, so it is possible IF they went by the Chassis but that is not usually the case, hence the Q, check the V5. I have two here in Spain as it only needs to be 25 years old, a 1987 BMW E30 and a 1987 Mercedes Cosworth 2.3-16V (currently in bits due to lack of commitment, EG just can't be assed, I fitted new rings but as I had someone else stripe it I have to go on manuals to rebuild it and I need the shims changing etc so ...), but the cost is so high (about 600€) with an engineers report, (why?) and admin', fees, etc it isn't worth it on a 'classic' as opposed to a historic.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2014 14:35:06 GMT
What is that a Skoda of some sort? Looks like it was a bit of fun. I didn't realise Eagle's could have 928 front ends. How does that work? is it the wings, bonnet and front bumper? how does it look? any pictures of one. I'm just thinking in advance in case the front end damage is a PITA to repair, I could have a backup plan to use 928 front panels.
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Post by Peter on Apr 9, 2014 14:50:24 GMT
Very early 1980s 'works 1200 Skoda Estelle Group A . Had a few hairy moments, only one way to drive it flat out ALL the time and drift like crazy. Took a mate for a quick blast near Cinderford once and at the end he just said, "You done that before ain't ya?". cool guy. MkII more of a case of inspired by rather than actual panels. MkII SS (Ford) and yer actual porker,
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Post by scooby on Apr 9, 2014 18:16:06 GMT
Wow, Moggy - that SS fell into the right hands! Can't wait to see what you're going to do with it.
And as Peter says, that's a real niiiiice Bug.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2014 18:42:53 GMT
OK guys. First progress update for you. So yesterday we dug the car out, literally!!, and got it on the trailer, eventually. Usual issues, driveway was on a hell of an incline, brakes were seized (got them free'd up), front was too low for the trailer ramps. All things we anticipated and prepared for before we set off. Then we got it back to mine and gave it a good jet wash to remove the 25 years of crap that had accumulated all over the bodywork. Here you can see one of the impact area's from when the previous owner span it and hit some greenage My son has already claimed the car as his (my daughter claimed the Beetle many years ago when she was 3). Below is a close up of the front damage to the body He seems to like it!!! A close up of the rear end damage. And that was the end of the first day of "Eagle SS" ownership, as we started at 4pm and it took a good few hours to dig it out, by the time we got it home and jetwashed it was pub o'clock.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2014 18:54:23 GMT
Second day priority was to get it in the workshop so it could make friends with the other toys, and get her stripped so we could see what we're up against. First thing was to drop the engine out. One of the best things I did on the bug was to make the rear valance removable so I could easily get the engine in and out and work on it, so that's the plan with the rear end of this, hence the big hole we cut in the rear. Door's off and seats out Steering out and carpets stripped out so we can have a good look at the floorpan The floorpan halves are toast, so new ones will need to be welded in. Lifted the body off the pan as it's going to be a full on rebuild of both. Hoists away.... The back end is going to be converted to IRS so out comes the gearbox And that's where we're up to on day 2. I here the bell toll pub o'clock, so I'm off to the local with the lads to start making some lists of what we need to start putting her back together.
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Post by Peter on Apr 12, 2014 23:09:29 GMT
OK guys. First progress update for you. So yesterday we dug the car out, literally!!, and got it on the trailer, eventually. Usual issues, driveway was on a hell of an incline, brakes were seized (got them free'd up), front was too low for the trailer ramps. All things we anticipated and prepared for before we set off. Then we got it back to mine and gave it a good jet wash to remove the 25 years of crap that had accumulated all over the bodywork. Here you can see one of the impact area's from when the previous owner span it and hit some greenage My son has already claimed the car as his (my daughter claimed the Beetle many years ago when she was 3). Below is a close up of the front damage to the body He seems to like it!!! A close up of the rear end damage. And that was the end of the first day of "Eagle SS" ownership, as we started at 4pm and it took a good few hours to dig it out, by the time we got it home and jetwashed it was pub o'clock. Well, that was a couple of days well spent, usually takes at least a month to get that far. Removable rear end should have been a feature of the car from day one but only the Nova had it. I just put the rear up and drop the lump out with a custom gantry and Haltrak over the open rear. Definitely a MkI, You will find details of the screen in the thread, SS screen, last price was about £350 plus the usual. Looking forward to the rebuild. Don't bother worth the front bumper, only two that I know still have them, darn ugly things. Sent from my INGO-TAB using Tapatalk
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Post by Peter on Apr 23, 2014 8:41:10 GMT
"Just want that paper in my hand before I start spending money and firing up the welder " Very wise, many a slip between intent and real paper, getting all the required ducks in a row in Spain just to change from UK to Spanish reg is a real pain with engineers reports, tests, fees, applications etc. Seems like you have all the parts lined up ready to go and we are looking forward to seeing the build progress.
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Post by Peter on May 26, 2014 19:20:38 GMT
Been a few weeks now, any progress? Really looking forwards to seeing what you do with it.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2014 13:53:43 GMT
Hi guys About time for an update I feel. So I finally got the logbook back from DVLA, arrived about 2 weeks back. It took them an age to process it, I thought there was going to be a problem. But all is good. Car is now mine and will just need a simple MOT to get back on the road so we're good to go. So I fired up the welder and started things off. Firstly I cracked on with the floorpan. It was pretty much shot apart from the spine, so I've had to cut out both floorpan halves, both rear outriggers and most of the napoleons hat at the front.. I've got a little further now than the above pictures but just haven't got the camera out yet to take some snaps. Basically, we've now welded in 2 new floorpan halves, new napoleons hat at the front and the rear outriggers. At the same time I'm converting the rear end to IRS, below you can see I've done one side, ready to do the other side this weekend. Why converting to IRS? well apart from the obvious handling benefits, I've managed to pick up a set of Porsche 924s ally trailing arms, complete with ventilated discs and driveshafts. These will simply bolt onto the bug IRS setup. The added benefit is that the stud pattern is Porsche (which is what I want) and the drive shafts?CV joints will bolt straight into the 911 gearbox that's going in it. In addition to this I've also got myself a Scooby EM25 engine (2.5l normally aspirated 170BHP) which I've got to pickup this weekend along with stripping out the old wiring loom from the Scooby it came out of. So all in all we've stopped cutting it to bits now and have now started to climb that mountain of putting it all back together i.e. the fun part for the delay in the update (mostly caused by the wait for DVLA to get their arse in gear). I'll try to keep the progress updates more regular in future.
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Post by scooby on May 29, 2014 21:49:51 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2014 5:57:06 GMT
great job, and nice to hear that the papers are ok
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Post by Peter on May 30, 2014 6:47:59 GMT
Somewhere, I think it is on the Nova forum or EOC tec', page is all about fitting a Scooby and it's electrics. Adaptor kit next on the list then? Twin 'Mini rads at the rear or one up front? My own idea when I was contemplating it was Mini rads on the panel behind the rear wheels and curved alloy panels up to benieth the scoops which may or maybe not would have 'apollo scoops' infront. All that aside great job so far. Going to interesting seeing the porker gear box fit too, is it straight swap or are there linkage problems like a type 4 box?
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2014 8:14:49 GMT
The rad and fuel tank are going up front to aid with weight distribution. The conversion plate is coming from Kennedy Engineering in the US. I'll take lots of photos of the gearbox install but it's a fairly easy job to get in there.
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Post by scooby on May 30, 2014 9:35:53 GMT
" ...but it's a fairly easy job to get in there." Maaan, you know how to make us mortals feel small, dontcha... This is going to be soooo gooood .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 11:01:29 GMT
Just because I've been quiet doesn't mean I've been sitting on my hands It's time for an update..... Some of the photos below were taken a while back but I think this is the first time I've posted them so here we go.... The new floor pan halves are now on. Usual rules of 1 inch weld, 2 inch gap. You can also see the rear IRS mounts and rear out-riggers on there. The napoleans hat at the front is a combo of new and patches. Napoleans hats are only available in LHD so I had to patch the brake master cylinder hole up. You can also see a little rust hol patch on the main tunnel there too. The rear out-riggers Then it was time for seam sealant. Next was a total strip down of all existing rust, paint, crap etc a good coat of Rust Cure www.frost.co.uk/granville-heavy-duty-rust-cure-250ml-3378.htmlthen 2 good coats of Chassis Black www.frost.co.uk/eastwood-extreme-chassis-black-946ml-us-quart.htmland Voila! top side done: We've now flipped the chassis over and have the underside in a similar state, however we found a few more rust holes that need to be cut out and dealt with accordingly so that's put a slight delay in having it all done by now. Next for the same treatment as the above is the front beam.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 11:07:59 GMT
As well as the above work on the chassis, I managed to source a 2.7l Scooby engine out of an Outback. Surprisingly compact little engine. Produced about 170bhp when new. Looks like it's got new head gaskets on too, which is a bonus. Took a morning to persuade it out of it's old home in the Scooby and sit in, pride of place, looking over the creation of it's new home. For the sharp eyed among you, you'll notice the torque converter, which is now off the engine, ready to receive the special flywheel to allow it to mate up toe the 911 gearbox. I had to strip out the complete wiring loom from the dashboard forwards, which was a PITA. This model came with an imobiliser so the whole lot, including the steering column had to be ripped out. I'm going to start making the new wiring loom up once we've got the chassis to a point that it's rolling on some wheels.
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Post by Peter on Jul 1, 2014 13:54:09 GMT
Looking good, are you leaving the floors as is or are you dropping them, if you are over 5'5" you will need to. Don't do as most do and hack a big hole in the floors and weld in a small skip, just leave the front and slice down the sides and across 2' from the back bend it down and fillet in two side Vs and a back slope.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 9:28:00 GMT
Yep. The plan is the make the floorpan adjustments once I have the seats and am ready to offer the body up to the floorpan. Then I'll get a better idea where and how much to cut. What seats do people use?
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Post by Peter on Jul 2, 2014 13:00:16 GMT
Anything that will fit basically, depending on style, budget, etc. I used Bedford Rascal / Suzuki Carry ones and they drop straight in, as will many other small van seats, (Subaru Sumo, etc), runners would be up to you. The ones I have now are good sports seats at a reasonable price off of Ebay and a few guys have bought them since. Any center console need to be no wider than the tunnel, about 4", it can open out a bit forward of the gear shift though. Others fit MX5, MR2, Porches, Maura and Cobra Roadster 7, (bit too short) , do not get the Westfield ones unless you are under 5'6", I bought a pair and the seat belt holes come under my shoulder blades! These look the same LINK> tinyurl.com/mt7pvlbAnd these are nice but I would check with seller on base width Ebay item 171373673434 Peter
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