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Post by nealk2k3 on Mar 1, 2022 15:58:05 GMT
Hi all,
I'm trying to verify the identity of an Eagle SS to see if it will be possible to recover a lost v5c for it. The car in question I think is one that had an Eagle supplied chassis rather than being built on an old Beetle etc.
Recovering the v5 requires the chassis number, and I was wondering if Eagle issued one with the car or left you to make up your own. If they did, were they good enough to stamp it on the chassis somewhere? I've had a quick look round the engine bay and couldn't see anything, but if there was any standard place that I should check that would help.
It's a long shot I know, and an even longer shot would be to ask if anyone on here knows anything about or has any old records of the car in question - Q996 GVC
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Post by Badwolf on Mar 1, 2022 17:46:37 GMT
Hi nealk2k3 Pretty sure that the Ford based Eagle chassis does not have any ID numbers and took all the deatials from the doner car. Have you tried looking on the DVLA site for details of your Eagle, see below. vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk/VehicleFound?locale=enwww.check-mot.service.gov.uk/Hope the above is of some help and i am sure someone will be along soon to add more details to your question and good luck with obtaining a v5c Regards Mark
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Post by chrisbailey on Mar 1, 2022 20:16:04 GMT
Using the gov website to check tax status shows the registration is registered to a red Eagle. The V5C was last issued in 2017. I dint think you will have too much difficulty getting the logbook. Might need to write a letter to the DVLA explaining the situation. vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk/
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Post by Graham Wood on Mar 1, 2022 22:19:47 GMT
I'm trying to verify the identity of an Eagle SS to see if it will be possible to recover a lost v5c for it. From Gov website.
Vehicle does not have a registration certificate
DVLA advises that you should not buy a vehicle that does not have a registration certificate (V5C).
Register the vehicle in your name by using form V62 ‘Application for a vehicle registration certificate’. You’ll have to pay a fee. ( £ 25 )
Details
Use form V62 to apply for a vehicle registration certificate (V5C).
You can get a duplicate vehicle log book (V5C) online if you do not need to change anything in the log book. If you need to make any changes or you’re not yet registered as the vehicle’s keeper, you must make an application by post using form V62.
Use following link to download form V62
www.gov.uk/government/publications/application-for-a-vehicle-registration-certificate
If you've just bought this vehicle the tax or SORN (Statutory Off Road Notification) doesn't come with it. Therefore apply to sorn the vehicle as well in your letter, stating the previous owner had it notified as SORN, AND YOU NOW WISH to continue the SORN in your new keepers name.
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Post by Graham Wood on Mar 1, 2022 22:34:12 GMT
If the vehicle is not registered in your name you’ll have to tell DVLA it’s off the road by post.
see above
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Post by nealk2k3 on Mar 2, 2022 12:47:47 GMT
It looks like all of these options require the VIN/chassis number - the V62 form says if you don't fill it in it'll just be returned to you so without it I'm not sure that there's a way forward. I will try phoning the DVLA but it's a weak position - a vehicle not registered in my name with a number plate I can't actually tie to the vehicle.
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Post by chrisbailey on Mar 2, 2022 17:52:28 GMT
Ive heard some hpi checks will provide the vin number. I cant tell you which ones will but it will most likely be a paid for service. I think some builders of kits have similar problems when they need a specific part from a car dealer and they need to provide the vin number of the donor car.
Might be worth a try before going via DVLA.
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Post by pedro on Mar 3, 2022 1:25:45 GMT
I am sure they will give you the V5 but they might want to inspect it, give you a new vin number and make you stamp it into body/chassis
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Post by pedro on Mar 3, 2022 1:34:56 GMT
I have also heard of problems getting an MOT without the 17 digit vin no. Mine like many have only got a 5 digit vin no (build no) on the V5. I will be interested in any other opinions on this from anyone in a similar position.
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Post by nealk2k3 on Mar 3, 2022 11:09:09 GMT
Good shout on the HPI check - they're only legally allowed to give you the last 5 digits on the VIN, but if it's only 5 to start with then that's great.
I ran a check and got back a VIN that 'ends with' something like EF123 - can anyone confirm that their SS has a chassis number that looks similar? Hopefully I've got the whole thing.
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Post by terryrob on Mar 3, 2022 19:03:25 GMT
My RV chassis was never stamped when bought as a new kit and an ally plate was provided to rivet on. I still havnt got round to fitting it or stamping it.
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Post by pedro on Mar 4, 2022 2:56:54 GMT
Good shout on the HPI check - they're only legally allowed to give you the last 5 digits on the VIN, but if it's only 5 to start with then that's great. I ran a check and got back a VIN that 'ends with' something like EF123 - can anyone confirm that their SS has a chassis number that looks similar? Hopefully I've got the whole thing. Mine is 2 letters and 3 numbers too on the V5
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Post by Peter on Mar 5, 2022 12:29:52 GMT
The chassis (kit) number is on the left chassis member above the left suspension just before the apex of the angle.
The DVLA do not as a rule identify a car by the VIN or chassis number but only the reg number, If it is a Ford based car chances are it either didn't have a reg number issued relative to the donor car and will require an IVA test or it has a registration number (donor or Q) and the only way to find that is to backtrack on the owners and hope someone has the details.
All old VW chassis numbers are not VIN but no problems,
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Post by Peter on Mar 5, 2022 12:32:11 GMT
If the vehicle is not registered in your name you’ll have to tell DVLA it’s off the road by post. see above If it hasn't been taxed since September 1998 then that is not needed.
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Post by pedro on Mar 6, 2022 3:29:34 GMT
The chassis (kit) number is on the left chassis member above the left suspension just before the apex of the angle. The DVLA do not as a rule identify a car by the VIN or chassis number but only the reg number, If it is a Ford based car chances are it either didn't have a reg number issued relative to the donor car and will require an IVA test or it has a registration number (donor or Q) and the only way to find that is to backtrack on the owners and hope someone has the details. All old VW chassis numbers are not VIN but no problems, He has the registration number as stated on original question. DVLA require the 17 digit vin tag number on the V5 application form, which was his query. As you know 17 digit vin numbers were not really issued on eagles, But as he has the 5 digit kit number which is used as the Vin number he shouldn't have too much trouble getting the V5. If DVLA doubt anything I think they will inspect it and insist on the chassis and body having numbers attached.
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Post by Peter on Mar 6, 2022 13:04:04 GMT
I looked at if it was possible to make up a VIN number knowing the details of the donor car combined with the kit number etc and it is not possible, Neither the old pre '81 or later VIN can be generated as there are certain elements not available to a kit car unless the kit maker has homologated the make and model. No Eagle (or any other kit) has a 17 digit VIN, it is just not possible. The space on the V5c does not require it (they may ask but don't get) and the kit number or VW chassis number is OK. For information only; Not an actual reply. 1, Country of ASSEMBLY, (UK) that's possible. 2 & 3, manufacturer, (Eagle) not registered as a car manufacturer. so no. 4 to 8, body type, style model, engine, ( coupé, 2 door, SS, petrol) that's possible although model is a possible no. 9, security, digit, 1-9, not registered against maker (Eagle). 11 year, possible (Eagle Cars Ltd, 1981 to 1998) 12 to 17, serial number, On Ford kits you will not know this, no chassis and the kit number is only 5 letters and digits, so no, VW is 1958 to 69 is 9 digits and 1969 onwards is 10 digits so that doesn't fit.
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Post by pedro on Mar 7, 2022 0:16:15 GMT
One of my RV's has a Q plate and a 17 digit vin number issued and inspected by DVLA, I guess there are different scenarios
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Post by Peter on Mar 8, 2022 9:49:32 GMT
Pedro, If you would be so kind as to PM me with that VIN I would be very interested to see how it is made up. Peter
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Post by nealk2k3 on Mar 8, 2022 13:29:03 GMT
Thanks all for the help. Peter - I've tried to find where the kit number might be on the car but I'm not totally sure where you mean from your description photos.app.goo.gl/a6XS4iAGTZF7A2LM8Here's a picture of the front left suspension, could you direct me from there? Am I looking for something facing upward, downwards, or at right angles to the car? I'm tempted to send off the v62 with what I have and see what happens - I've got plenty of time to try again before it'll be road worthy!
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Post by Peter on Mar 10, 2022 10:25:47 GMT
Thanks all for the help. Peter - I've tried to find where the kit number might be on the car but I'm not totally sure where you mean from your description photos.app.goo.gl/a6XS4iAGTZF7A2LM8Here's a picture of the front left suspension, could you direct me from there? Am I looking for something facing upward, downwards, or at right angles to the car? I'm tempted to send off the v62 with what I have and see what happens - I've got plenty of time to try again before it'll be road worthy!
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Post by Peter on Mar 10, 2022 10:32:25 GMT
The number, if any, is on the EAGLE CHASSIS not the Ford subframe.
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