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Post by chameleon on May 7, 2020 7:44:29 GMT
Good morning all, I would like a bit of advise. Is any one aware of the need to fit a Dutton made roll bar into a SS cab, as it is a 40+ year old car and technology has changed I am wondering if there was a body flexing issue when they were first made and that the roll bar put back some form of ridgedity.
Regards
Steve
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Post by chrisbailey on May 7, 2020 8:23:00 GMT
Ive seen some eagle SS with an internal roll bar. I think its more about safety in the event of an impact rather than body flex.
My eagle is based on a VW beetle and the body flexes all over the place. The rear engine area will flex if you lean on it and the front nose droops. Some people have added reinforcement to those areas with custom made frames. I need to do that atleast for the nose.
I am also debating putting some kind of cage in the cabin, for safety.
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Post by chameleon on May 7, 2020 9:05:47 GMT
Thanks for that Chris, I only got the shell 2 days ago, the guy I bought it off says it needs a cage that he still has and I needed to know if it was a come on. I build kit cars as a semi hobby so now you have told me that I will take a hard look at it as I will be dropping a 2lt Cosworth turbo into it and in a 7est type kitl car it can load up the frame on cornering. Thanks again I hope we will get to meet at the shows.
Regards
Steve
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Post by chrisbailey on May 7, 2020 12:07:14 GMT
2ltr cossy turbo will be a serious bit of kit. I dont think Ive heard about anybody doing that yet, although there have been mad engines in some projects such as a rover v8 and a lancia engine.
Are you putting the body over the original ss ladder frame or are you using something else?
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Post by Graham Wood on May 7, 2020 21:45:21 GMT
According to Peter ( web page admin )the V.W. needs a roll bar, but the SS does not need one .... BUT. get the one he has for roll over protection. ALSO at ear height, the tube has a welded boss to attach the seat belt to.( they go inside the car.) and there are two slots in the back wall for the flat bar to poke through to attach a 3/8" flat bar down to the chassis, at about 45 degrees. Attaching a seat belt to fiber glass wont save your life.
You will need some ( lots ) of lead weight over the rear axle to keep the rear wheels on the road, as there is no weight there whatsoever. You will spin your wheels forever if you don't, and
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Post by Peter on May 8, 2020 13:08:07 GMT
Just to clarify; The MKI SS had a built in roll bar with seat belt points but the MKII and MkIII had a stronger frame built in so didn't really need. one but, if you feel the need by all means but space is at a premium. There are two Ford chassis (common to both RV and SS) early one follows footprint of VW floor pan and later ladder frame. It's all on the technical page on the web site, (link at top of forum). There is/was a SS with XR running gear called intergalactic invader (see below) but never hit the road, like so many such 'projects' and as has been said, Jason's SS has a V8 but is only used off road, too hairy for every day use, the back end steps out really easy. Also one with a Sierra rear axle and inboard brakes, currently laid up. (come on Chaz,)
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Post by Peter on May 8, 2020 13:22:15 GMT
Thanks for that Chris, I only got the shell 2 days ago, the guy I bought it off says it needs a cage that he still has and I needed to know if it was a come on. I build kit cars as a semi hobby so now you have told me that I will take a hard look at it as I will be dropping a 2lt Cosworth turbo into it and in a 7est type kitl car it can load up the frame on cornering. Thanks again I hope we will get to meet at the shows.
Regards
Steve You will soon find out the SS is not like any kit car you have come across before and they have their own set of peculiarities and problems, we all know on here, been there done that for at least 20 years. Just plonking in a Cossie lump is not easy and the knock on beefing up and chassis tuning as considerable. 0 to 100 is great but 100 to 0 is more important so before you tackel the engine, beef up the frame, suspension and brakes from the Cortins MkIII/IV set up.
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