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Post by Dave D on Nov 9, 2019 0:28:05 GMT
Hullo, I have just bought an RV Eagle - registered 1978. I have taken it off the road to sort out many issues ( especially rough running but many minor niggles ) and get it ready for its ( voluntary ) MoT. I have tried to join the Eagle Owners Club but when clicking ' Membership ' on the www.audiografix.co.uk/test/eoc/index.html website, the next page comes up blank. Also, if I click the link to ' Eagle Owners Club website ' from this forum I go to www.eagleownersclub.org.uk/ but am shown the message ' Coming Soon '. I am assuming that there is a club to join or have I got the wrong end of the stick? Perhaps someone could advise? Thanks. Dave.
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Graham Wood
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Post by Graham Wood on Nov 9, 2019 10:43:25 GMT
Hi, Welcome to the site. The situation is currently, you are classed as a member without having to apply, I have never applied for years.
There are no news letters posted out, therefore costs are minimum. all news and events are posted here. Just have your say on here, and you will find people very helpful.
Welcome to the club.
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Post by wiggy on Nov 9, 2019 10:50:21 GMT
Hi Dave Nice to hear another RV is being kept alive. Not sure if you have been reading up on vehicles over 40 years old? The original donar for your RV was registered in 78 as a Cortina for instance, but it will have been registered again as an RV when the kit was build. From what I understand, your kit has to be 30 years or more old and not have any significant changes to qualify for voluntary MOT. Hope I am wrong as I have a 1979 and a 1980 RV.
I think the club is in the process of changing Host and an update. Check out the posts, loads of info.
Wiggy
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Post by Dave D on Nov 9, 2019 23:26:59 GMT
Hi Dave Nice to hear another RV is being kept alive. Not sure if you have been reading up on vehicles over 40 years old? The original donar for your RV was registered in 78 as a Cortina for instance, but it will have been registered again as an RV when the kit was build. From what I understand, your kit has to be 30 years or more old and not have any significant changes to qualify for voluntary MOT. Hope I am wrong as I have a 1979 and a 1980 RV. I think the club is in the process of changing Host and an update. Check out the posts, loads of info. Wiggy Thanks, Wiggy. Thanks also to Ram for your advice. Wiggy, I believe that the legal situation is as follows: If a car can be proved to have been manufactured 40 or more years ago ( on a rolling basis ), and can be proven not to have had a significant construction change in the past 30 years, then the owner can apply for the car to have the log book replaced to show ' Historic ' in the Taxation Class. The criteria for which changes are considered to be ' significant ' are to be found on the DVLA website. The car is also automatically exempt from the London ULEZ if 40 years old - even if the Transport for London database shows that it is not exempt from the charge ( TfL are behind in their update of the the database ). I live in London and have been searching fo a long time to find an Eagle RV with Historic status in the log book. I had to buy this one, even though it was rough around the edges and running badly ( it broke down on my road test before I had even bought it ! ) because it was the first suitable one that I had found. I have had a Mahindra CJ3 Indian Brave Classic for 25 years since new and am having to sell it as I live in London. It has always been garaged, loved and cherished and is probably the best one in the UK. I am not pleased at having to part with it! If any Eagle Owners Club member is interested - please contact me and I shall send photos and details. Dave.
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Post by wiggy on Nov 10, 2019 10:17:27 GMT
Hi Dave to hear about the situation with your Mahindra, gutting to lose a good vehicle and to have to find a suitable new owner. But I presume it will save you a fortune in charges in the long run? Been on the government website about all this and the only way I can get my head around is that you have an RV built that was done 30 years or more ago. That was built from a vehicle that was registered in 1978 and enough parts were used from the donor vehicle for the kit to retain the donor vehicles registration plate. To me otherwise it is a kit conversion, where a kit of new parts is added to an existing vehicle, or old parts are added to a kit of a manufactured body, chassis or monocoque bodyshell, which changes the general appearance of the vehicle an thus constitutes as a substantial change. If I am getting this all wrong please do excuse me as I am full of cold, easily confused and impatient. Wiggy
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Post by Peter on Nov 10, 2019 15:01:54 GMT
Membership of the FORUM is free and open to anyone BUT membership to the Eagle Owners CLUB is by application and comes with a few benefits.
The site is currently undergoing a change of server and updating home page, hence the "coming soon" but if you go to 'members' at the top of the forum page and contact 'Helen' you will contact the membership lady directly or email at helenjlee1@aol.com Peter
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Post by Dave D on Nov 11, 2019 13:58:03 GMT
Hi Dave to hear about the situation with your Mahindra, gutting to lose a good vehicle and to have to find a suitable new owner. But I presume it will save you a fortune in charges in the long run? Been on the government website about all this and the only way I can get my head around is that you have an RV built that was done 30 years or more ago. That was built from a vehicle that was registered in 1978 and enough parts were used from the donor vehicle for the kit to retain the donor vehicles registration plate. To me otherwise it is a kit conversion, where a kit of new parts is added to an existing vehicle, or old parts are added to a kit of a manufactured body, chassis or monocoque bodyshell, which changes the general appearance of the vehicle an thus constitutes as a substantial change. If I am getting this all wrong please do excuse me as I am full of cold, easily confused and impatient. Wiggy I honestly don't know, Wiggy. It is so confusing and I have had two authorotative opinions that conflict each other, which is why I decided to play safe and wait for an RV that was already registered as Historic. As far as I can tell, a lot depends on whether the DVLA have a record of any major changes ( which would have been notified as required by a previous owner ) on their database. What I am trying to say is that if a previous owner has, say, changed the engine then you might not know about it but the DVLA will have recorded it if the previous owner notified them. Of course, not every substantial change would have been notified to the DVLA even if required by law. The DVLA could find out by inspecting the vehicle ( unless the evidence had been hidden or removed ). It might be a good idea to speak on the phone to the DVLA, give them the details of your '79 RV and ask them if you can send in the log book to have the Taxation Class changed to Historic. They should be able to check their records and, if the answer is ' yes ', then ask them to put it in writing. I hope you recover quickly from your cold. Good luck. Dave.
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Post by Dave D on Nov 11, 2019 14:12:13 GMT
Membership of the FORUM is free and open to anyone BUT membership to the Eagle Owners CLUB is by application and comes with a few benefits. The site is currently undergoing a change of server and updating home page, hence the "coming soon" but if you go to 'members' at the top of the forum page and contact 'Helen' you will contact the membership lady directly or email at helenjlee1@aol.com Peter Thanks for your advice, Peter. I can't see ' members ' at the top of the forum page ( I am probably being stupid ) and if I click ' CLUB membership ' I get a 404 error message. I shall email Helen direct. Dave.
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Post by wiggy on Nov 11, 2019 15:38:54 GMT
Hi Dave, phoned the DVLA, still not a hundred % sure about things as I might not have been totally clear about what I was asking (that is clear). They told me that if I have all the parts from the donor car and can prove it then it is ok. I presume that they were answering me to it being a historic car and tax exempt, this is where i think I have got my pants in a twist, is that we might still need to MOT, because of the substantial changes in the past 30 years.
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Post by Peter on Nov 11, 2019 18:11:58 GMT
At the time as long as you had 8 points from the original car you were able to register it on the original number and retain it's age. now days of course it's a whole different ball game.
In short, you are good to go.
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Post by Dave D on Nov 11, 2019 18:25:25 GMT
Hi Dave, phoned the DVLA, still not a hundred % sure about things as I might not have been totally clear about what I was asking (that is clear). They told me that if I have all the parts from the donor car and can prove it then it is ok. I presume that they were answering me to it being a historic car and tax exempt, this is where i think I have got my pants in a twist, is that we might still need to MOT, because of the substantial changes in the past 30 years. As far as I know, Wiggy, if you can get the car registered as Historic then it is automatically MoT exempt. I am prepared to be corrected if anyone knows otherwise. I wouldn't mind anyway as I prefer to have all my Historic cars MoT tested annually. I suggest that you collect together / fake where necessary all your evidence and have a go at getting the 1979 RV registered as Historic. You have nothing to lose. If you are refused then the DVLA will have to give reasons. I have found out in the past that, if you are prepared to argue your case with the DVLA and indicate that you are not going to give up, you will probably win. A few years ago, when the outer London Low Emission Zone for diesel lorries and vans was introduced, my Mahindra ( which has a 2.1 diesel engine ) was declared non-exempt. It took me 2 years of arguing with and hassling the DVLA before a letter arrived out of the blue declaring the Mahindra as exempt. There was no explanation - just an exemption. Dave.
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Post by wiggy on Nov 12, 2019 17:42:17 GMT
Thanks guys, lovely, I will keep my mouth shut and do as you have said. Does this mean I photo the rear axle of my totally Cortina based RV and send it in instead of a picture of my Sierra rear diff back end RV! Surely not? Don't know how the one I have got managed to keep its reg. or it has had a bit of work done before I bought it. Changed the diff from a 3.64 to a 3.92 this year and did not notice any modified work on the chassis. Will have to make some changes or some big fibs. It has its original Cortina MK4 steering, front end and suspension with engine, but has a type 9 gearbox and as mentioned Sierra end. Just out of interest Dave how many historic cars do you like driving around London?
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Post by Dave D on Nov 13, 2019 10:53:33 GMT
Thanks guys, lovely, I will keep my mouth shut and do as you have said. Does this mean I photo the rear axle of my totally Cortina based RV and send it in instead of a picture of my Sierra rear diff back end RV! Surely not? Don't know how the one I have got managed to keep its reg. or it has had a bit of work done before I bought it. Changed the diff from a 3.64 to a 3.92 this year and did not notice any modified work on the chassis. Will have to make some changes or some big fibs. It has its original Cortina MK4 steering, front end and suspension with engine, but has a type 9 gearbox and as mentioned Sierra end. Just out of interest Dave how many historic cars do you like driving around London? I have a 1964 Riley 1.5, which is my daily driver and a 1953 Bristol 403 ( which I have owned for 21 years ) for holidays and everything else. The Eagle will replace the Mahindra for sunny days. I can't advise any further on your future dealings with the DVLA, except to be careful. I am no expert. All that I know is what I have gleaned from owners of pre-1979 Bristols in the Bristol Owners Club and what I have researched about kit cars/DVLA on the internet. Hope all goes well with your RV's. Dave.
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Post by wiggy on Nov 13, 2019 13:51:32 GMT
Nice Dave, not to take anything away from the Riley but a lucky man with the 403. I have always had a soft spot for the Bristol cars but I love the 411 S4, another car also knocking around at the same time was Scimitar GTE SE6, a local man had a two tone cream and brown that was a desire.
No worries about the vehicles, only having a laugh due to you putting "fake where necessary". I have 3 RV's, two rescues as the owners had only bought the vehicles for their engines and did not give a hoot about the RV. My half Sierra is my daily drive winter and summer (no roof as yet) but I don't go far. The other two are Cortina based unfortunately only one has been registered (still looking to see if I can find a chassis number). Due to this and between the three I should be able to make two historic vehicles. I have already informed the DVLA about the one with no engine and they are happy for me to put an age related one in and still keep the reg. I will probably need another type e gearbox to finish them both.
Hope you sort out your issues and many niggles.
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