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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2014 15:23:35 GMT
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Post by Peter on Jun 10, 2014 15:50:21 GMT
That is a good crop for the register, 4 in one day. Hope we see some finished cars out of that, the chunky black RV looks like it needs bring up to scratch but it's all there, the two shells i fear may not see the light of day again if they are a MkI and a MkII FORD body, but cut out the floors and plonk it on a VW chassis. yeah!.
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Post by Graham Wood on Jun 10, 2014 15:53:23 GMT
Chap is selling 9 items, and ALL "for a friend he has no computer"
Hmmmmmmmmm !
SS shells. He wants £ 300 each. You can pick up a COMPLETE one, with engine / chassis from £ 300.
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Post by Peter on Jun 10, 2014 20:26:57 GMT
If, and I do mean IF, they are complete with good glass, bonnet and boot then OK, well worth it.
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Post by scooby on Jun 11, 2014 8:12:58 GMT
£1,650 is 'expensive' for a tidy RV? Blimey - are our cars really that worthless (By 'tidy' I'm not suggestion I actually like what he's done to it - waaaaay too bling - but that it looks in nigh-on fully finished order with a decent amount of work put into it...) The 'spears' RV will have the issue of it requiring to be IVA'd... (Unless someone has that registered chassis from the one in Scotland which sold for £150...) That one looks like a nice example from its 'running' photograph - big chunky wheels & tyres, side steps, SS exhaust and stuff. Gawd, I hope these nuggets are rescued.
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Post by Peter on Jun 11, 2014 9:52:47 GMT
'Official rant warning' I know, sometimes I wonder what people base their idea of price on . I thought it was very reasonable and , yes, a bit bling, but it is a fun car. A MkIII VW SS kit, last price was over 2,000, a Beetle chassis with an engine and a V5 was a minimum of 300, nearer 500 and up. Seats, clocks, carpets, headlining, trim, etc. another 300 if from a scrap yard, Strip and overhaul brakes, lines and engine, 400, lights 100, wheels and tyres 400 minimum new. so with no upmarket, aftermarket stuff and the very basic spec without labour over three and a half grand and the average cost, according to Reg Budd, was about 5,000 for a basic car and a little less for a RV. Add to that only 680+ SSs and less than that for RVs so there is a rarity value and they now sell for what? 150 to 2,000, IN THE UK, (wouldn't even pay for my engine internals). Abroad you would have to pay a minimum of 3 grand and over 7 grand for a nice one where they are appreciated a lot more. So many people regard these cars as disposable bits of plastic they can bugger around with until FUBAR and if they screw it up or loose interest because they totally underestimated the cost, time, equipment, facilities and skills required , well, "No trouble, only owes a couple of hundred", just flog it off for a few quid, dump it around the back of a mates, (until 'moggy' comes along) or scrap it. Generally speaking, people just do not have the sense of uniqueness and rarity of these cars in the UK, with over 1,550 SSs and RVs, P series, 2+2s, etc either languishing in sheds, backyards, fields or scrapyards (because they have no scrap value being plastic and will not rust away) they will pop up from time to time only to be bought by someone to play with. I went back though the threads for the past four years and over 20 cars WERE going to be restored, but only three are still being worked on, the rest have disappeared and we still only have a handful on the road. Me? Guilty as charged with a perfectly good Standard 10 I destroyed in 1967 and with a Charger in 1994 when I bought my chassis, engine etc as a van load for 350 pounds and it came with a MkI Embasee Charger body that had been chopped and lifted at the rear because he wanted a high tail look, (Mr. Dance, you were an idiot!) and I flogged in on for 25 for parts to a Charger owner down the the road and kept the rest for my SS kit. I have been slogging away in fits and starts and a million distractions and modifications for 15 years but i am still at it and have drawn the line on any further 'improvements' and nearly all the bits I will need are to hand so there may be a chance it will get 'finished' by next summer, I hope. There will come a day when it will be impossible to register any car other than a standard Eurobox, (BMW 1 series, Mercedes A class, Opel Astra, Skoda, Megan, SEAT, VW Golf, etc, if it wasn't for the badge we would have trouble telling one from the other) and with 'kit cars' being a thing of the past and that day is fast approaching, even now in most European countries even fitting skirts or a spoiler requires an inspection and adding to the reg documents or will not pass the next annual test and already member 'DIY' in Belgium cannot get certain cars on the road and I am having a hell of a time just getting information about what I need to do in Spain. The IVA is getting stiffer every year as it the legal stuff and the cost of putting a 'fun car' on the road, So come on, lets get these cars rescued even if only to be kept safe and not scrapped, (we can even get screens now) and give them the respect they deserve. In the States they already have a Stirling (Nova) in the Kansas city museum but it is a 'working display' still being driven and highly respected as a piece of Kansas cities history as some Stirling were made there. 'Rant' over, phew!.
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Post by scooby on Jun 12, 2014 9:26:30 GMT
Tee-hee - good rant!
The whole kit-car thing is a bit of a mystery to me - has general interest really fallen off that much over the past, say, 10 years? I guess it has, with the onset of SVA and now IVA being the final nails. What a shame.
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Post by Peter on Jun 12, 2014 19:49:51 GMT
In many countries, like here in Spain, kit cars never took off in the first place so there just isn't the culture so when a road legal one-off is for sale it fetches top dollar, or rather Euro. But yes, interest has dropped off, big time in line with disposable income and a preference for ready made euroboxes.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2014 14:27:31 GMT
guys, Didnt mean to cause any offence. I was just baseing it from what i have seen for sale on Ebay before and generally they dont fetch alot. Looks like ive opened a can of worms here!
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Post by Peter on Jun 13, 2014 21:31:09 GMT
It is a long standing can of worms and the sad fact is, it is only half the story.
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Post by scooby on Jun 13, 2014 23:03:51 GMT
No offence taken at all, Steve I was just commenting on the perception that 'our' cars (kit cars in general) are so disappointingly ill-regarded. And the sad thing is, it's probably not just a perception - you are right, most RVs on eBay go for shockingly low sums. What do yoof do for hobbies these days?! When I were a lad - on a wee island in the Utter Hebrides - every youngster was completely car-mad. Ok, I guess that's still true today, but it seemed like everyone I knew back then was genuinely into working on their cars - properly fixing them - and kit-cars were seen as something really exotic since they were unusual.
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