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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2013 19:19:07 GMT
OK, here they are. The first pictures of my new acquisition. Pretty obvious what this is Drivers door/window. The instrument cluster Wiring - i use the word in its broadest possbile sense The boot Front The engine
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2013 19:26:19 GMT
So theres a lot to be done. Both of the doors drop when you open them. The windows simply dont fit and wobble like very wobbly things - though I think this is partly because they seem to have been designed to be removed easily. Quick release windows as it were. The 'roof' isnt in great shape and the windscreen looks like it was laid on the front and silicone splurged around the edge. The whole of the interior needs revamping I think. The bonnet and boot are not actually attached as such. Petrol tank and in fact the fuel system appears to need somewhat of an overhaul. I gather it needs a fuel pressure regulator. Certainly it needs a throttle linkage and theres a few stray wires under the bonnet. Ive not acutally tried connecting the battery at this stage. Probably all of this is small potatoes compared to the mechanicals - the condition of which I have yet to determine. I might try and have a closer look at it all at the weekend - didnt have much time after I got back on Saturday. I think the next thing ill do is make a big list of things to do and take it from there
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2013 19:53:28 GMT
nice photos welcome to the land of "am I ever going to get this finished" lol main thing I suppose are that these cars are simple mechanically to work on ... any fibreglass issues can be resolved with ... well .. more fibreglass .. the hood's going to take some work. not sure about the doors dropping but i'm sure theres a fix for it ... I'll jump in early here and say welcome again and ask as many questions as you like because theres always someone here who's been there and done that and worn out the t shirt Brett
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2013 11:52:14 GMT
Fortunately a mate is in the sinking same boat as me as he paid for half of it.. Im certainly going to do something with the lump in the bonnet. At the very least I am of the opinion if theres a lump there should be a hole to at least let air in. Looks like the lump is to allow the oil filler to fit. Im wondering if I could somehow change this so that the filler fits more flush I could lose the lump anyway... im sure I can get a spare rocker cover to experiment with.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2013 9:38:10 GMT
So we decided this weekend we would have a crack at getting it to start.
The guy i bought it from said it it needed a coil, fuel pressure regulator and carb linkage. So we figured we should just feed it fuel manually for now...
First off I needed to attach the plug leads (Which also need replacing). Did this and spun it over. Wasnt turning over especially quick - but it was turning.. (I checked the cam timing was correct before doing this and it all seems correct).
Figured out where TDC was and connected the leads accordingly.
Needless to say it didnt fire. So we checked the plug was sparking - which is wasn't. I think the of the wiring harness could do with replacing - maybe rather than trying to make it work with the existing loom just create a whole new one - theres not that much in the way of electrics - at least we would know what was when then. We will come back to that.
After some fiddling we finally seem to be getting a spark but still doesnt fire - doesnt even seem to try. Oh well... we shall come back to this next weekend maybe..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2013 10:18:13 GMT
quite probably is wiring problems. I would also replace the spark plugs if you haven't done it already. when I first got my eagle I did manage to get it started, but it was running as rough as a badgers a@se changed the plugs and it made a huge difference. Brett
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Post by Peter on Sept 2, 2013 11:50:54 GMT
Had same problem wife's Corsa sport, new plugs and scary little bu**er was a good 'un again. All new is THE way to go as 90% of breakdowns are due to electrical faults-Vehicle wiring products is a one stop shop for EVERYTHING you need. link www.vehicle-wiring-products.eu/VWP-onlinestore/home/homepage.phpwhen you get a spark dribble 10cc of fuel in the carb, REPLACE the filter (in case of blow back) and fire it up.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2013 10:59:26 GMT
Yeah - I didnt expect it to run smooth - but there wasnt a glimmer of life at all Im deffo thinking bespoke wiring sounds better. Also the battery is in the boot - is this where it usually is - looks like you might could squeeze it in under the bonnet somewhere - remove the need for that mega long cable from back to front (which cant help I dont think - for cranking over) Oh and theres no filter as such - just trumpet type things (which you cant quite see in the photo
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2013 12:00:17 GMT
yep the boots the normal place for the battery on the Ford based SS .. although I don't fancy the battery and the petrol tank being so close together. the "normal" gullwing SS shell has the tank in roughly the same place but there's a fibreglass bulkhead so the too are separated. meaning that the tank sits above the axle and isn't in the boot like yours .. it must be possible to move it to the front as you say. haven't seen anyone do it though
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Post by Peter on Sept 3, 2013 13:26:44 GMT
Difficult to see but is there enough room between the carb and the headlight bar for a battery box? Where it is now is fine and would be the normal 2+2 position but I would again invest £11.45 in a battery box (Ebay 281150865042) not only to protect the battery but avoid things dropping across the terminals etc. I have mine up front but there again, my engine is in the back. (Ebay 31045846078)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2013 14:50:44 GMT
Theres *almost* enough room right at the front just to the right of the radiator... Dont think its the best battery in the world but even so it dont seem to be turning over too quickly
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Post by Peter on Sept 3, 2013 16:30:49 GMT
I would it leave there, but in a box, nice new thick cable up to the front, bigger battery, that looks like a little Mini 40ah one, too small and looks a bit old and tired anyway. I run a cable from the front to the rear and no problems.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2013 19:44:28 GMT
Maybe. To be honest the other guy that's doing this with me is an electronics whizz (and I think actually a qualified auto electrician) - so I'll leave it to him. If we go for a new creating a bespoke wiring harness he is the one that'll be doing it. We have plenty other stuff we need to sort first anyway - we just wanted to hear it at least try to start What there's another one? I thought I was unique! Clean or replace plugs, get a spark, whack a battery on, Chuck some go-go juice down the carb, Fire it up (Strong recommendation )I know at the moment you say you only have velocity stack on the Weber but for gawds sake at least get some gauzes over them, stops the car sucking in boy scouts and other roadside litter.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2013 20:07:17 GMT
I have lots of faith in his electronic skills. ive known him for years -- hes the guy that has to fix my pintable electronics when it goes wrong I certainly be doing something with the carbs - theres not a lot of room tween the carb and the inner wing - but will sort something. Things going into the carb is deffo not good !
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Post by Peter on Sept 4, 2013 9:15:10 GMT
I have lots of faith in his electronic skills. ive known him for years -- hes the guy that has to fix my pintable electronics when it goes wrong I certainly be doing something with the carbs - there's not a lot of room tween the carb and the inner wing - but will sort something. Things going into the carb is deffo not good ! Now if he could fix a Mercedes W168 A170 CDi auto gearbox ECU board with a duff lockout switch I have a job for him. I have to take a feed from the ignition switch to a relay stuffed in the battery compartment to the starter solenoid so it 'seems' like a normal key start but of course one can start it IN GEAR, not clever but beats 1,300€ for a new board as it only comes with the valve chest, what German prat decided to fit the lockout switch inside the gearbox instead of on it or at the lever, grrrr, .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2013 19:01:00 GMT
Woohoo !! Finally got it to fire up. Theres a whole load of other stuff we need to do of course but we wanted to see if it would run before we made a real start on anything.. and finally start it did...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2013 17:52:38 GMT
excellent sounds a bit off but the main thing is that it runs.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2013 18:15:44 GMT
Oh for sure. Didnt' leave it running too long as the bottom rad hose is missing..
Followers seemed a little rattley, wasn't exactly smooth either, but i think the ignition system isnt in the best of shape.. so will probly replace it... Just wanted to see that it ran though really...
Our next mission (which we're going to have to choose to accept really) is to make a list of what the plan is.. Right at the top of that is finding somewhere to do whatever we do - as currently its sat on the driveway.. need a get a garage sorted. Ideally one that will allow for more than an average sized cat to be swung. (not that we plan to swing any cats you understand).
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Post by Peter on Apr 6, 2014 10:27:21 GMT
AND? 7 months on?
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Post by Peter on May 11, 2016 9:26:46 GMT
Two and a half YEARS later, no news. what's up?
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2016 12:21:59 GMT
Alas theres no news because theres no real progress. Well thats not strictly true. I bought a throttle cable for it and a new electronic ignition... Now it refuses to start The guy who 1/2 owns this has lost interest and save for the one attempt a month or so ago to try and get it running nothing has happened. TPTB (AKA my better 1/2) is now getting quite hacked off with it taking up half the drive space too which isnt good. I have an idea this might end up abandoned - its certainly looking that way ATM
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Post by dickdastardly on May 11, 2016 18:01:27 GMT
Hi if you want to get rid of it I like a challenge , quiet fancy an SS soft top been toying with the idea of doing mine but making it still look awesome
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Post by Peter on May 12, 2016 12:55:36 GMT
Hi if you want to get rid of it I like a challenge , quiet fancy an SS soft top been toying with the idea of doing mine but making it still look awesome Dick, The 2+2 is quite different from the Ford SS and uses a different donor, (Escort) but a rare car and done nicely a pleasant little car to drive.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2016 17:03:43 GMT
Ideally I would keep it ... however this is looking increasingly less like a viable option.
This being the case im in 2 minds whether I should either sell the generic components (engine/gearbox/etc) or just try and sell the whole thing together. I suspect selling the parts will be more lucrative but also require more effort. TBH as long as I can get something close to what it stands me I would be happy !
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Post by Peter on May 18, 2016 18:00:56 GMT
Wouldn't be the first Eagle to die for it's Ford or VW parts which tend to be worth more than the whole car but we in the EOC are all about preserving Eagles, not scrapping them. The 2+2 isn't the most loved of Eagles but is one of the rarest. If you can't finish it you shouldn't have started it, these cars are never a quick fix.
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Post by dickdastardly on May 18, 2016 18:18:23 GMT
What are you looking for for it ?
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2016 9:08:33 GMT
"Wouldn't be the first Eagle to die for it's Ford or VW parts which tend to be worth more than the whole car but we in the EOC are all about preserving Eagles, not scrapping them. The 2+2 isn't the most loved of Eagles but is one of the rarest. If you can't finish it you shouldn't have started it, these cars are never a quick fix." As I believe I said when I first posted I was an impulse purchase. Also I don't think its especially fair to grumble at people because life gets in the way - IMHO it often does that. The original plan was for it to be in a garage not taking up space on my drive - and this hasn't really helped ! Do you think it would be better if I just removed the bits I wanted and unloaded the rest at the local scrap merchant ?
"What are you looking for for it ?" Im currently into it for around £550 - so whatever I can get thats close to that - be it selling as an item or selling as bits.
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Post by dickdastardly on May 20, 2016 20:26:41 GMT
Everyone who takes on cars like these should be applauded for taking them on in the first place!! No one knows what horrors are lurking and yes you are right normal life does get in the way ( Dammmmm normal life lol ) ( I should know I never thought I would get as far as I have with mine ) It does look terrible LOL I can promise if I take it it WILL be back on the road and not scrapped can I start the haggling 350 ? can I ask where you are ? thanks
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Post by Peter on May 21, 2016 14:02:36 GMT
I was going to say, "Good job people don't follow the same criteria when an unexpected baby comes along. Inconvenient, scrap it". But of course that is exactly what happens with abortions. Whilst one can always have another baby later and one can now buy a NEW SS (or Nova) there will be no more 2+2s, (some might say thank heavens).
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2016 7:55:19 GMT
I'm just north of Newcastle. (The deep north?). I would really rather it go to someone that actually wants to finish it off. I just don't have the time. (I have a Mitsubishi Starion that needs some stuff doing to it too and i've not gotten to do that either... Thats still used mind you - just needs a little TLC here and there.. I digress).
It looks pretty much as it did in the photos save for the fact its got 12-18 months of sitting doing nothing. I did raise it on axle stands and put a quick lick of underseal on the chassis but that about it. Oh I did get a new coil/electronic ignition deely. Its also minus the seats - which were unservicable anyway tbh.
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