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Post by Graham Wood on Nov 30, 2011 1:57:33 GMT
Where are the eagles, ( SS ) none show up.
went to show this year, and eagle plot was empty Sunday, - opposite the Nova club ( club nova ?) just a tent and van. Novas put eagle to shame by their number.
Last year at another, Saturday, Eagle plot was empty completely.
Does anyone drive an Eagle SS ?
I know mine was driven into the garage years ago, in perfect condition, but time to do the usual to get it up and running escapes me, but to go to shows for 2 years and not see even ONE, seems naughty of you lot.
Have even emailed you, and got no reply.
Mine could be for sale so I may not be able to attend, but where are you all ? ( Front engined ford 2.0 / 2x twin webber DCOE 40's )
R.a.M.
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Post by Peter on Nov 30, 2011 13:15:20 GMT
Same place as yours, stuffed in a shed and not looked at I guess. I don't think you can criticise people for doing the same as you, can you? There are about a dozen legal, driven, road going SSs in the UK, and double that number in mechanical road going condition off the road on Sorn or (like mine) last registered before 1999 and just off the road. Main reason is most people who own a SS have another car for everyday use (thank you wife ) and it is too expensive these days to have a second fully road legal car just for the odd trip and shows and very few use a SS everyday. (more use a RV daily though as it's more practical). I would like to see everyone make an REAL effort next year though and get some Eagles to the shows, some of the excuses for not attending are a bit lame, especially as everyone knows when they are coming up and can plan at least a year in advance. p.s. who did you email?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2011 19:46:43 GMT
Before you sell it, why not bring it to Stoneleigh and Newark
There will be cars there in 2012.....well at least one anyway...mine!
Could always advertise it on the stand - free!
Hope to see you there
Ed
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Post by terryrob on Nov 30, 2011 20:55:22 GMT
The thing is, for people to be on the Eagle pitch they need to go there and stay for a day or two then there would be people present. We had RV's at various times and an SS at stoneleigh this year, but if you don't stay, you don't see them
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Post by Gary on Nov 30, 2011 21:47:51 GMT
Very true Terry. Not sure who that funny looking chap in the background is
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Post by terryrob on Dec 1, 2011 23:05:18 GMT
Strange people turn up everywhere LOL
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Post by Graham Wood on Dec 3, 2011 21:58:29 GMT
Thanks to all the people who answered.
Info. Used to be an Eagle nut.
Had a Nova, Eagle series one ( VW ) RV Automatic. was an eagle agent for a short time. Had stands at shows, so you can hopfully understand why I was upset at not seeing any Eagle cars at shows.
But am currently building Ferrari 355 replica by the way.
But thanks for the replies and photo's
R.a.M.
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Post by terryrob on Dec 5, 2011 21:51:44 GMT
Hopefully RAM there will be more cars at stoneleigh 2012 and I will be there with or without my RV. I hope you can come it will be a pleasure to meet you as you are an ex eagle owner and entheusiast.
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Post by Graham Wood on May 8, 2013 0:19:50 GMT
Hopefully RAM there will be more cars at stoneleigh 2012 and I will be there with or without my RV. I hope you can come it will be a pleasure to meet you as you are an ex eagle owner and entheusiast. 2012, saw one RV, i think, but plenty of novas opposite. 2013, saw one tired RV, no stand, no tent, no reps, but plenty of novas opposite. No SS eagles. Are eagle SS's dead ? Much better than a Nova, so why no interest ? . Been unemployed for a while, but have some cash now to resurrect my Eagle, but has to go to a GOOD home. Concerted effort required by all SS owners to attend BOTH days. Will re advertise on here if permitted in a few months. Thanks PS> I missed you
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2013 17:16:07 GMT
just out of interest, does anyone know know how many Nova's were made ?
Brett
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Post by Graham Wood on May 12, 2013 23:09:15 GMT
How many Novas made ?
Approximately
1015 to 1025 total U.K. Production.
Mk1. 180 SSD < 10 Mk2. 820 Mk4. 15
Including Overseas licences About 5000 made in total.
I had the pleasure of visiting the Designer Richard Oakes in his London Mews flat/house, and I formed and ran the "Nova Owners Club" many years ago.
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Post by Peter on May 13, 2013 14:13:56 GMT
Nearly double the number of SSs made in MkI to III, I was told by Roy Budd himself when he delivered mine in 1995 that the total then was at about 330 VW and 345 Ford versions since 1981, I guess one could add the 2+2 to that but they were and still are, rare birds. So add a (very) few from August 1995 to the closure in 1998 total would be about 680 SSs. Strange only a handful left on the road, mind you, by 1945 there had been 20,350 Spitfires made, now only 45 are left flying !
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Post by Graham Wood on Aug 25, 2013 22:09:49 GMT
( 2012, saw one RV, i think, but plenty of novas opposite. 2013, saw one tired RV, no stand, no tent, no reps, but plenty of novas opposite. )
2013 again at Donington today, no stand, no tent, no reps, no cars, and later, space was taken over by Jago Jeeps.
is the owners club a figment of my imagination ? Twice I have looked forward to meeting some members/ reps etc, but alas, it's not to be.
Also, I will not be going to Donington again, as it's just one "Limited space" small hall, and that's it. Certainly not worthy of calling it a National Kit car event, more like a "local" event, nor spending £ 30 for 2 to go into the hall.
Unfortunately, due to illness, I was unable to get my Eagle Ford SS ready in time.
But maybe catch some / someone next year.
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Post by Peter on Aug 26, 2013 8:23:42 GMT
Must admit turn out over the last five years has been disappointing at all the shows and big respect to those who have turned out. Makes one wonder what the hell happened to all the cars that used to be on the road and in great condition . One factor has to be the cost of putting a 'weekend car' on the road for a year with MoT, Tax, Insurance etc. I have three cars on the road and it's killing me, When the SS is road ready I have to pay for a special test, not same as a IVA but a sort of tough MoT, to change from UK to Spanish reg, there are no special insurers in Spain so I have to pay what can be agreed, IF I can get someone to insure a kit car at all, I'm hoping Javier up North will point me in the right direction. I also need to change to BIG tyres as they are out of date (1994) as well as being rock hard with no grip, it's gona cost and I don't have any spare cash from my pension to do it at the moment!. Also many owners built their cars before girlfriends became wives and then the patter of tiny feet buggered everything up, resulting in a lose of time, money, space and a 'sensible family car'. Most females (and quite a few guys) consider a car as a box on wheels that get one from A to B in the dry and have little infinity with the car itself, (which, as we know are people with real feelings, try upsetting it and see just how soon you break down), very few petrol head ladies and I LOVE the few that are out there What I need is unlimited access to the DVLA records so I look up cars from the register and see the current state, (taxed, scrapped, SORN, Limbo)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 18:27:15 GMT
I'm lucky in that my girlfriend loves cars. And so is very supportive of my ( very ) long term eagle project. Mind you I'm keeping her 21 year old car on the road so she has to be lol. I love old cars too and very nearly bought a ford corsair needing work at the weekend. Managed to restrain myself though. Otherwise I would have ended up just adding that to my to do list. Its nice to have a good turn out at shows but as Peter said most of us are skint these days and being able to get a car ready for a show needs a bit if money. So long as we're all prepared to keep the cars and get them on the road eventually then I'm happy with that.
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Post by Gary on Aug 26, 2013 20:58:31 GMT
2013 again at Donington today, no stand, no tent, no reps, no cars, and later, space was taken over by Jago Jeeps. is the owners club a figment of my imagination ? Twice I have looked forward to meeting some members/ reps etc, but alas, it's not to be. . Those jago geeps were jago samuri's completly different vehicles. As for the owners club members beening nowhere to be seen we sat with our samuri's all afternoon but did you think to ask why we were on the eagle stand. Only eagle owners club members were parked on the eagle stand and one was me and the other was the membership secretary. Yes we too did not have our eagle rv ready but that does not mean missing the shows. as for the show Itself we enjoyed it I will agree that the shed was lacking but the racing was ok. As for the cost we paid 60 pounds to get the family in and thats without petrol costs for the three hour drive either way with two kits and a van full of jago owners club gear...I dont have any eagle club gear so I couldn't put any up.
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Post by Peter on Aug 27, 2013 7:28:11 GMT
Having an Eagle in 'project' mode is a good thing as long as it is not being FUBAR and ends up scrapped or gets dumped in a skip. As long as they are out there, anywhere, there is hope. Mine has been on it's trailer for 13 years apart from a blast up the N340 road in 2006 when I was told to put it away until Spanish road legal, so I went back into 'project mode'. Progress is being made as fast as time, family and funds allow and me changing my mind, again. It is on my 'bucket list' to drive it the 1,500 miles to Stoneleigh before I'm 70.
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Post by Graham Wood on Aug 27, 2013 9:23:42 GMT
Thank you for your explanation, The eagle space was at the end of the row, with Jago the next space, and jagos are jagos, so when you see jagos overflowing into the empty Eagle space, it does not automatically compute that there are Eagle members in the Jagos !
regarding the cost, you were there with a "van full of jago owners club gear".
I was not impressed with the racing and watched for a FULL 90 seconds. I can't stand those tiny westfields, Lotus 7 types I saw in the morning. And I did not go to see toy cars racing, or any racing.
The show was over in 90 minutes ( 1½ hours ) such was the small indoor space and lack of OTHER marks of kit cars. Donnington will never come anywhere near Stoneleigh's venue.
I hope that my comments ( not complaints ) may spur the committe members to at least put a tent up, a flag, and at the least, a board of large pictures of previous shows, and some literature showing completed eagles, a nameboard 4 foot long ( 1.2 m )etc etc.
I may be biased as I ran a Nova owners club and did similar at shows. ( many many years ago ) But even if no cars show up, interesting information is displayed, together with a mobile phone number of rep at the show if no one available on the stand / club area.
Maybe by voicing comments on here, we may shame some into action. ( better info at stand, or members cars turning up )
Hopfully, suggestions above may be forwarded to those responsible for manning the club stands.
Thanks anyway for the time spent on the website and pro board, and for reserving club spaces at shows.
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Post by trike on Aug 27, 2013 19:02:56 GMT
Like many others,my SS is in lots of bits at the moment,undergoing a major rebuild, but if all goes according to plan, WILL be at Newark next year.
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Post by Gary on Aug 27, 2013 22:10:37 GMT
if you felt that we were lacking. I do take on board what you are saying but.. We have about three paid up members so far this year even with me sitting here night after night trying to keep things going (Don't get me wrong I am not the only one there are a few members who also do this) I remember last year getting an appeal into all the kit car mag's chasing up old members and reminding everyone about the club. but we have three less members this year as three who paid last year have since sold their Eagle's. Peter has as you know put a lot of work into getting this forum up to date and sorted and keeping the web site running even getting it reinstated when it lapsed due to members just disappearing. So it does grate a bit when people suggest that we could do better. The committee do not have a duty to man the stands! The club only has one banner to my knowledge and the tent is still with the wife of a recently deceased member who used to bring it to shows for us (as it is too big for most of us) so unless someone makes a donation of a flag or banner then it is unlikely that we will be able to put one up as the club can't afford to buy another one with three sets of dues! Helen and myself attend Stoneliegh, Newark and Donington but there is no way that we am going to stand around all day on a stand, even the Jago stand was left completely unattended all day Saturday we all went over and watched the action on the track. Whilst the shows are about the cars they are also about having a good time. You said. regarding the cost, you were there with a "van full of jago owners club gear". I don't understand this comment? my son drove the van as its the only vehicle that he is insured in(we need him to be able to drive it for work and we can't afford to insure a car for him aswell) that fact that it is a van means that we can lend a hand with club gear transportation, isn't that what clubs are about? taking part and doing your bit however small that bit is. and you also said. I was not impressed with the racing and watched for a FULL 90 seconds. I can't stand those tiny westfields, Lotus 7 types I saw in the morning. And I did not go to see toy cars racing, or any racing. I must admit that if I had been watching those cars then I too would have been unimpressed but I watched the V8's and the big Jaguars racing and more to the point crashing and did find them entertaining. At Donington we met up with and spent the weekend camping,chatting and drinking with several members of the Dutton owners club who also seem to have the problem of non-existant or low numbers of members. we were discussing the problem of fewer and fewer show attendances as costs rise, while we were chatting we had a guy appear at the Jago gazebo from the RHOC European kit car club as they are now known(he was their events organiser)to say that they too were worried about the falling numbers and that the shows were getting too expensive for what they give back. So it is something that all the clubs are experiencing and that they were looking at ways to get over the problem. I will continue to do what I do for the club until the members tell me otherwise but I will only do it while I still get enjoyment out of doing so. So if means standing about all day I'm gone................
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Post by Peter on Aug 28, 2013 8:30:01 GMT
I endorse completely what Gary said and will add a bit to it. In 2004 there was effectively NO club, active forum or up to date web site or members, Bob, the previous chairman had all the equipment and the bank account and was doing nothing and it was very RV orientated as can be seen on the site 'past events' page, as that is what he had. He decided to chuck in the towel and as far as I know went to Oz after sending me all the forum info and a list of 'lapsed' members. We still have not been able to locate or access the bank account, so opened a new one. I literally had to start from scratch in 2005 and with (none Eagle owning) Linda's help sent a 'real letter' to all listed past members, recruited a committee, we managed to get 32 paid up members and a decent turn out to shows in 2006 and all this from my home in Spain whilst having to run a real estate company as well. I also organised the tent which should have been a 3x3 gazebo with sides but the tent was on sale, so not my choice, but we do have a gazebo now I believe, somewhere and designed and bought the banners. Due to comments that is was "Peter's club" and a few "I could do better" (which never happened of course) statements I stood down as chairman and started to maintain the IT side which as you can see is up to date and improved. We have a paid membership that helps to pay for the web site and show equipment etc. and in return all card carrying members get a discount of up to 10% on a range of goods and services including insurance so they can get more than the cost of membership back with ease. It really pisses me off when people come on here and criticise our efforts and hard work when the drop off in membership and attendance at shows is, as Gary said, universal, due mainly to the high cost of keeping a 'fun' car on the road and attending shows, something that needs looking at, it's not that the people and cars are not out there, they just can't afford it, but it is well within their capabilities to actually chip and help, like man the stand for a couple of hours, make a donation, offer to transport stuff, make up photo boards, set up a bar-B-Q, pay for a banner, etc. If you really want to see cars at the shows then give up some time, chase listed forum members, encourage them join, to complete if not 'finish' their cars, get them to join in and attend shows, good membership and attendance doesn't just happen, it needs a driving force behind it. One of the longest list I could compile on here is reasons and excuse why people haven't got their car on the road or attended an event. Rant over
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Post by Peter on Sept 13, 2013 11:30:35 GMT
Well, now we know, after spending several hours on-line we now know there are only 4 road going Eagles at the moment, (there may be more but I have 54 more with insufficient details to do a DVLA check.
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Post by scooby on Sept 13, 2013 22:13:22 GMT
Jeepers, there has to be significantly more than 4, surely?
I mean, there's a steady trickle coming up on eBay, and a reasonable percentage are actually road-going. Ish...
Maaaan, that's sad.
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Post by Peter on Sept 14, 2013 10:33:35 GMT
The register is made up of information taken from photos at shows, galleys on all known forums, 'bling' images, you tube and input from owners and we have 146 in total out of over 1,200 plus car. All the cars we have on record was passed thought the DVLA data base both under "Eagle" and whatever donor it might be if it didn't find it under "Eagle" i.e. "Ford" or "Volkswagen", there are 54 cars where I do not have a full registration number so I cannot do a search and I rely on owners and spotters to tell me but I rather suspect they are not road going either as are the "no trace" cars. I too was saddened by the low numbers frown2[1]but it reflects the trend today in most people being unable to afford the extra expense of having a 'fun car' on the road, even for part of the year which can average over 400 quid a year for tax, test and insurance, eek2[1]let alone repairs and maintenance.
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Post by Peter on Apr 30, 2014 7:55:11 GMT
I know it is a year on from the last post and Stoneleigh attendance has come up again and again people are making excuses why they are NOT coming, despite the fact we have all known for a year it is coming up. According to the register there are NO road legal Ford or VW based SSs (out of 76) and unless one or two have been put on the road in the last 6 months. There could be as many as 5 RVs on the road.
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Post by Graham Wood on Apr 30, 2014 10:08:32 GMT
Thanks Peter for your last 2 posts.
It explains where the Eagles are and are not.
Will be at Stoneleigh on Sunday, 1pm, give or take 30 minutes as it's a 3 hour drive.
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