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Post by chrisbailey on Sept 18, 2007 15:15:49 GMT
Hi, if you have an SS, you will already know what i mean! Ever since of baught my car, the doors were out of alignment and they never shut properly unless you slam them. The rams push the doors up when they are closed and make a mess of the hinges. Has anybody converted the gull wings to lambo doors? or any other type of door? any good kits out there to do it? and what problems would I run into? (any obvious ones)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2007 21:33:05 GMT
I am not sure what the solution is, but the problem is that the door is too heavy to be held just on the one side. The door is not sufficiently stiff to cope with the twisting forces and thus deforms and never shuts properly again. I was looking at a DeLorian recently which used one ram and a torsion bar on the other side to balance out the forces. This seems to work but could be difficult to build. I was thinking that, when I get to it, I would try to make the door open with two rams and thus even out the stress. Not a great deal of help I know but my take on the problem anyway!
Jon
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2007 21:42:15 GMT
There was an eagle recently on ebay that had converted to lambo doors, not sure if it is still on there, maybe worth a look. I recall that the conversion on that one was not the complete door, whoever did it had cut the top section of the door off and bonded it to the roof, this apparently would make the entering and exiting of the car a bit more difficult as it reduces the overall opening size. I can't see why it couldn't be done with the whole door and it would get rid of the twisting and the catch mechanism, that looks a painful item if you get caught on it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2007 17:18:20 GMT
I have several ideas for a different catch, it is the hinge that is giving me the most nightmares. How to fix the door without bolts etc intruding into the car at head height! I was thinking that some form of external hinge, but then that will ruin the roof line. I could look at frencinh the hinges into the doos, I will be altering the bodywork anyway, but it still would not be perfect. Still I have a lot of work to do before we reach that stage.
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Post by chrisbailey on Sept 28, 2007 19:22:54 GMT
The torsion bar with rams sounds good, it would probly work aswell, but it would take up room above your head and there isnt enough already, I still think lambo is the way, i think the doors have alot more strength from that side, I was looking at remote lifting lambo doors, would look extremely good, but i dont know if you would ever get your money back if you sell the car.
Also does anybody know if you can mount a subaru engine like the vw engine is mounted (exposed, on a beach buggy) because i was looking at putting a scubby engine in a beach buggy as my next project.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2007 9:46:07 GMT
Yes the Scubie engine can be mounted as a streight swap for the VW one. You can buy all of the conversion plates etc. For a good site all about Beetle engine conversions see bb.bbboy.net/vwengineconversionsas a good starting place. They seem to be doing all sorts of weird and wonderful swaps. I especially like the Audi V8 but then I expect that we all would! The Torsion bar hinge does not take up any room as all of the fixings are behine the rear firewall with just the torsion bar itself comming into the car. The problem is trying to fix it all together with the bar under load. It has all been done, in the DeLorian, so imitation is the best form of fl attery etc. I will have to think on this more. Jon
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Post by chrisbailey on Sept 29, 2007 11:25:11 GMT
It still doesnt solve the flexiblity in the fibreglass. I think turning the doors into transit sliding doors would look cool, but you would see sliding rails down the side of the car.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2007 18:18:24 GMT
Not if you have the rails on the inside of the doors and the roller hinged on the bodywork. p.s. Jon. Great to have you back in one piece.
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Post by sammss on Oct 14, 2007 19:45:14 GMT
Be nice if you posted in your own name "pheonix". Then Jon would know who was wishing him well .
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2007 21:48:41 GMT
The new system under development for the SS-3R uses two 250 x 16 struts in the door roof, in-line with the hinge bolts. Two channels are cut into the double skin area of the door roof inline with the hinge bolts and two channels with a strut is set into the roof of the door. A 4mm x 30 bracket goes from just outside the door seal to the other side to hold the rod end of the strut and is held in by the hinge bolts. A covered ply based head lining covers the door roof by clipping onto the struts with 4 terry clips per door so when the door lifts the roof lining moves with the struts away from the roof. a head lining covers the bracket and the whole thing is only 4mm lower than before when shut.
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Post by chrisbailey on Oct 18, 2007 22:31:06 GMT
I have decided to cut my doors in half! the top half opens gullwing and the bottom opens suicide, i wanted to be different!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2007 9:32:06 GMT
You can always get TEAC to make you a new pair later ;D
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2007 19:01:00 GMT
I have decided to cut my doors in half! the top half opens gullwing and the bottom opens suicide, i wanted to be different! Interesting. Why not get the bottom half to open Lambo stylee? Can't wait to see it
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2007 22:05:53 GMT
Or even Enzo with a hinge at the top of the top corner of the screen and one at the waist line. Lambo would work well too as would a 'T' top and doors
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Post by chrisbailey on Oct 25, 2007 17:49:18 GMT
I was thinking about doing an enzo butterfly door, but its way too much work and there is a huge risk of breaking the screen under the weight, lambo and gullwing would conflict, lambo door worrl hit the gullwing but ill look at doing it anyway, i dont like the price on the lambo hinges though £300+ pair.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2007 17:49:54 GMT
Hola: Aunque es ya un tema viejo, cuento mi experiencia. Yo en mi coche un Eagle SS creo que resolvi el problema definitivamente cambiando el lugar donde va el amortiguador. Ahora la palanca es perfecta y no afecta a la bisagra superior de la puerta. Tambien cambie el amortiguador por el del porton trasero de un Opel Corsa antiguo que creo que tiene la presion justa. Pondre fotos en proto de ello. Un saludo Javier
PD: perdon pues utilizo un traductor de la red. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hello: Though it is already an old topic, I count(tell) my experience. I in my car an Eagle SS believe that resolvi the problem definitively changing the place where the absorber goes. Now the lever is perfect and does not concern the top hinge of the door. Also the absorber changes into that of the back inner(large) door of an Opel Corsican ancient that I believe that it(he,she) has the just pressure. Pondre photos in proto of it. A greeting Javier PD: pardon since I use a translator of the network(net).
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